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Re: do not deprecate synchronous XMLHttpRequest

From: Marc Fawzi <marc.fawzi@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 10 Feb 2015 12:51:02 -0800
Message-ID: <CACioZivvL+g_oFTmMVHAPdwS3n+qz45Mace=b8434pAsUqT71w@mail.gmail.com>
To: Michaela Merz <michaela.merz@hermetos.com>
Cc: Florian Bösch <pyalot@gmail.com>, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com>, Ashley Gullen <ashley@scirra.com>, George Calvert <george.calvert@loudthink.com>, "public-webapps@w3.org" <public-webapps@w3.org>
i agree that it's not a democratic process and even though some W3C/TAG
people will engage you every now and then the end result is the browser
vendors and even companies like Akamai have more say than the users and
developers. It's a classic top-down system, but at least most debates and
discussions happen over open-access mailing lists.

I wish there was an app like Hacker News where browser vendors via W3C,
TAG, webapps etc engage users and developers in discussions and use up/down
votes to tell what matters most to users and developers.

But design by committee is really hard and sub-optimal, and you need a
group of true and tried experts (open minded ones) to call the shots on
various technical aspects.





On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 12:43 PM, Michaela Merz <michaela.merz@hermetos.com>
wrote:

> Marc:
>
> Its not about getting rid of badly designed APIs. It's about the feeling
> of not being taken seriously. The web-developers are the people who have
> to use the available browser technologies to provide what users want.
> And often we can't oblige because - well, browsers don't implement it
> for whatever reason.
>
> Examples: Safari doesn't allow the export of arbitrary data blobs into
> the file system. This is a major problem and has been reported numerous
> times on their bug tracker - to no avail. What good is a "maybe" for
> canplay on media files? Why can't we still not paste directly into the
> clip board? Blobs are immutable but it would be cool to have blob
> 'pipes' or FIFOs allowing us to stream from those pipes by feeding them
> via AJAX.
>
> It would really be great, if browser-developers would be more open to
> suggestions from the web-developer communities. We are a team and both
> groups should cooperate better for the benefit of all web users.
>
> m.
>
>
> On 02/10/2015 02:01 PM, Marc Fawzi wrote:
> > <<
> > Reminds me on the days when
> > Microsoft was trying to tell me what's good and what's not good.
> >>>
> >
> > At least Microsoft didn't put a backdoor in Windows that can divulge
> > your local IP (within a LAN) to the outside world. They call it WebRTC.
> > If you want something to complain about there are far more troubling
> > things than the well intended effort to rid the web of APIs that are
> > simply badly designed...
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 11:51 AM, Michaela Merz
> > <michaela.merz@hermetos.com <mailto:michaela.merz@hermetos.com>> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     Interesting notion. Thanks for sharing. Reminds me on the days when
> >     Microsoft was trying to tell me what's good and what's not good.
> >
> >     m.
> >
> >
> >
> >     On 02/10/2015 12:10 PM, Florian Bösch wrote:
> >     > On Tue, Feb 10, 2015 at 4:24 PM, Glenn Adams <glenn@skynav.com
> <mailto:glenn@skynav.com>
> >     > <mailto:glenn@skynav.com <mailto:glenn@skynav.com>>> wrote:
> >     >
> >     > Morality should not be legislated!
> >     >
> >     >
> >     > Browser vendors can (and do) do whatever they please. You're free
> >     > to start your own browser and try getting it among the people.
> >     > Legislation doesn't enter the picture, you have free choice in
> >     > every respect. It's every-bodies pejorative to publish software
> >     > both in source or compiled however they see fit. Hyperbole much?
> >
> >
> >
>
>
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