Re: Person and fictional Re: VideoGame proposal

The fundamental questions:

1) does the set of all Persons include the set of all Fictional Persons?

2) if not, is it important to avoid conflating the two sets?

3) suppose it were necessary to model entities corresponding to the spirits
of dead people - for example, if the authorship of a book is attributed to
the Spirit of William Shakespeare.  Does the solution for fictional things
generalize?

4) What is the domain and range of a fictionalized property, in the
non-fictional context?

Simon
On Oct 20, 2014 3:46 PM, "Thad Guidry" <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:

> So this is very much like...
>
> Richard's proposal :   http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/FictionalThing
>
> Where he does something like:
>
> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Place">
> <link itemprop="additionalType" href="http://schema.org/FictionalThing"/>
> City of: <span itemprop="name">Paris</span><br/>
>
> But Jeff, your saying to perhaps do something like:
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> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Place" fictional="true">
> City of: <span itemprop="name">Paris</span><br/>
>
> Yes ? No ?
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org> wrote:
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>>  If the movie and the director are both fictional, then
>> schema:fictional=true could be assigned to both separately. The
>> relationship between them would be schema:director (which doesn’t need to
>> be tagged as “fictional”).
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>>
>> The fact that a fictional movie might happen to be schema:genre=”Science
>> fiction” is merely a coincidence.
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>>
>>
>> Jeff
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>>
>> *From:* Thad Guidry [mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, October 20, 2014 3:23 PM
>> *To:* Young,Jeff (OR)
>> *Cc:* chaals@yandex-team.ru; Dan Scott; Dan Brickley; Peter
>> F.Patel-Schneider; Wallis,Richard; martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org;
>> Karen Coyle; <public-vocabs@w3.org>
>> *Subject:* Re: Person and fictional Re: VideoGame proposal
>>
>>
>>
>> Jeff... ok...
>>
>>
>>
>> Is this...
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>> schema:fictional false;   # to be pedantic about it
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>>
>>
>> A property to be used on ANY Schema.org Type ?  How would it work against
>> say...
>>
>>
>>
>> <div itemscope itemtype ="http://schema.org/Movie">
>>
>>   <h1 *itemprop="name"*>Avatar</h1>
>>
>>   <span>Director: <span *itemprop="director"*>James Cameron</span> (born August 16, 1954)</span>
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>>   <span *itemprop="genre"*>Science fiction</span>
>>
>>   <a href="../movies/avatar-theatrical-trailer.html" *itemprop="trailer"*>Trailer</a>
>>
>> </div>
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>>
>> What would the changes needed look like on the code above , if both
>> itemtype="http://schema.org/Movie" and itemprop="director" were both
>> Fictional ?
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>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> -Thad
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>
>> wrote:
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>> Here’s how I imagine splitting the hair:
>>
>>
>>
>> _:A0
>>
>> a schema:Book;
>>
>>                 schema:name “Anna Karenina”;
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>>                 schema:fictional false;   # to be pedantic about it
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>>                 schema:about _:A1;
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>>                 schema:genre “Fiction”;
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>>                 .
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>>
>>
>> _:A1
>>
>>                 a schema:Person;
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>>                 schema:fictional true;
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>>                 schema:name “Anna Karenina”;
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>>                 .
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> --
> -Thad
> +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
> Thad on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/>
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