Re: Person and fictional Re: VideoGame proposal

On 20 Oct 2014, at 22:03, Simon Spero <sesuncedu@gmail.com> wrote:

> The fundamental questions:
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> 1) does the set of all Persons include the set of all Fictional Persons?
yes, otherwise we would need a joint super-type anyway for those persons of whom we do not know or do not agree whether they are real or fictional.
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> 2) if not, is it important to avoid conflating the two sets?

I do not think so.
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> 3) suppose it were necessary to model entities corresponding to the spirits of dead people - for example, if the authorship of a book is attributed to the Spirit of William Shakespeare.  Does the solution for fictional things generalize?

I don't know, but I also think we can defer the issue of spirits and other phenomena for now.
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> 4) What is the domain and range of a fictionalized property, in the non-fictional context?

I would say that most properties for Person will also work for fictitious persons. Except maybe for vatID and taxID ;-) But if a retired IRS staff member writes a novel, even that will not be unthinkable. There will be beautiful short stories of fictitious persons living on volcanoes with fax numbers ;-)
Martin


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> Simon
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> On Oct 20, 2014 3:46 PM, "Thad Guidry" <thadguidry@gmail.com> wrote:
> So this is very much like...
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> Richard's proposal :   http://www.w3.org/wiki/WebSchemas/FictionalThing
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> Where he does something like:
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> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Place">
> <link itemprop="additionalType" href="http://schema.org/FictionalThing"/>
> City of: <span itemprop="name">Paris</span><br/>
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> But Jeff, your saying to perhaps do something like:
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> <div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Place" fictional="true">
> City of: <span itemprop="name">Paris</span><br/>
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> Yes ? No ?
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 2:29 PM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org> wrote:
> If the movie and the director are both fictional, then schema:fictional=true could be assigned to both separately. The relationship between them would be schema:director (which doesn’t need to be tagged as “fictional”).
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> The fact that a fictional movie might happen to be schema:genre=”Science fiction” is merely a coincidence.
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> Jeff
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> From: Thad Guidry [mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com] 
> Sent: Monday, October 20, 2014 3:23 PM
> To: Young,Jeff (OR)
> Cc: chaals@yandex-team.ru; Dan Scott; Dan Brickley; Peter F.Patel-Schneider; Wallis,Richard; martin.hepp@ebusiness-unibw.org; Karen Coyle; <public-vocabs@w3.org>
> Subject: Re: Person and fictional Re: VideoGame proposal
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> Jeff... ok...
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> Is this...
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> schema:fictional false;   # to be pedantic about it
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> A property to be used on ANY Schema.org Type ?  How would it work against say...
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> <div itemscope itemtype ="http://schema.org/Movie">
>   <h1 itemprop="name">Avatar</h1>
>   <span>Director: <span itemprop="director">James Cameron</span> (born August 16, 1954)</span>
>   <span itemprop="genre">Science fiction</span>
>   <a href="../movies/avatar-theatrical-trailer.html" itemprop="trailer">Trailer</a>
> </div>
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> What would the changes needed look like on the code above , if both itemtype="http://schema.org/Movie" and itemprop="director" were both Fictional ?
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> -- 
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> -Thad
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> +ThadGuidry
> Thad on LinkedIn
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> On Mon, Oct 20, 2014 at 10:58 AM, Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org> wrote:
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> Here’s how I imagine splitting the hair:
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> _:A0
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> a schema:Book;
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>                 schema:name “Anna Karenina”;
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>                 schema:fictional false;   # to be pedantic about it
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>                 schema:about _:A1;
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>                 schema:genre “Fiction”;
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>                 .
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> _:A1
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>                 a schema:Person;
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>                 schema:fictional true;
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>                 schema:name “Anna Karenina”;
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>                 .
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> -- 
> -Thad
> +ThadGuidry
> Thad on LinkedIn

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