Re: webschema-ISSUE-22 (openingHours x2): Schema.org has two ways to express opening hours [Feedback on Schema.org]

Hi all,

I discussed the issue of Opening Hours with a colleague of mine and I thought you may be interested in her comment:

So my biggest complaint about OpeningHours is that you cannot say you’re closed. At least not in a simple way. The only way to say you’re closed is by using validity dates. Once you use validity dates then your hours are always in the context of specific dates. So you have to keep republishing information and Google etc has to keep harvesting new information in order to know when you’re actually open.

This seems like a problem which is definitely relevant in the context of the wider web. Example - If I’m 24 Hour Fitness and I need to tell people I’m open every day all day except Christmas and New Years, there is no simple way to do this.

Have others experienced similar difficulties describing normal opening hours, except for specific periods when closed – such as holidays public or otherwise.

~Richard.

From: Matthias Tylkowski <matthias@binarypark.org<mailto:matthias@binarypark.org>>
Date: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:40
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Subject: Re: webschema-ISSUE-22 (openingHours x2): Schema.org has two ways to express opening hours [Feedback on Schema.org]
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Resent-Date: Tuesday, 28 May 2013 11:41

Dear all,
Maybe the openingHours property in http://schema.org/LocalBusiness should be removed. There are two reasons for that:
1. The goal of Schema.org is to create a structured vocabulary, while the value describing openingHours is not structured, it is a text content which has to be parsed.
2. The http://schema.org/Duration is an ISO8601 duration which is not a time.

The GoodRelations allows wide solutions to markup opening hours in a structured manner. Here are some examples from http://getschema.org/index.php?title=OpeningHoursSpecification:

Example 1

The clinic of Dr. John Doe a physician<http://getschema.org/index.php?title=Physician&action=edit&redlink=1> in London is opened as below:


<div itemtype="http://schema.org/Physician" itemscope>
   <div itemprop="name">Dr. John Doe Clinic</div>
   <div itemprop="openingHoursSpecification">
      <div itemtype="http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification" itemscope>
         <div itemprop="dayOfWeek">Monday</div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="08:00:00">
               08:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="12:00:00">
               12:00
            </span>
         </div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="15:00:00">
               15:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="18:00:00">
               18:00
            </span>
         </div>
      </div>
      <div itemtype="http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification" itemscope>
         <div itemprop="dayOfWeek">Thuesday</div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="08:00:00">
               08:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="12:00:00">
               12:00
            </span>
         </div>
      </div>
      <div itemtype="http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification"<http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification> itemscope>
         <div itemprop="dayOfWeek">Wednesday</div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="08:00:00">
               08:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="12:00:00">
               12:00
            </span>
         </div>
      </div>
      <div itemtype="http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification"<http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification> itemscope>
         <div itemprop="dayOfWeek">Thursday</div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="08:00:00">
               08:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="12:00:00">
               12:00
            </span>
         </div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="15:00:00">
               15:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="18:00:00">
               18:00
            </span>
         </div>
      </div>
      <div itemtype="http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification"<http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification> itemscope>
         <div itemprop="dayOfWeek">Friday</div>
         <div>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="opens" content="08:00:00">
               08:00
            </span>
            <span>-</span>
            <span>
               <meta itemprop="closes" content="12:00:00">
               12:00
            </span>
         </div>
      </div>
   </div></div>

Example 2

The Roots restaurant<http://getschema.org/index.php?title=Restaurant#Examples> in San Francisco is opened daily from 11a.m. to 10p.m.

<div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Restaurant">
 <div itemprop="openingHoursSpecification">
   Open daily from 11a.m. to 10p.m.
   <meta itemprop="dayOfWeek" content="Monday Tuesday Wednesday Thursday Friday  Saturday Sunday"/>
   <meta itemprop="opens" content="19:00:00Z-08:00"/>
   <meta itemprop="closes" content="06:00:00Z-08:00"/>
 </div></div>

or


<div itemscope itemtype="http://schema.org/Restaurant">
 <div itemprop="openingHoursSpecification">
   Open daily from 11a.m. to 10p.m.
   <meta itemprop="dayOfWeek" content="http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Monday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Tuesday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Wednesday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Thursday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Friday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Saturday http://schema.org/DayOfWeek/Sunday "/>
   <meta itemprop="opens" content="19:00:00Z-08:00"/>
   <meta itemprop="closes" content="06:00:00Z-08:00"/>
 </div></div>

Best regards
Matthias Tylkowski
CTO Binarypark


Am 28.05.2013 13:47, schrieb Web Schemas TF Issue Tracker:

webschema-ISSUE-22 (openingHours x2): Schema.org has two ways to express opening hours [Feedback on Schema.org]

http://www.w3.org/2011/webschema/track/issues/22

Raised by: Dan Brickley
On product: Feedback on Schema.org

http://schema.org/CivicStructure has openingHours, whose value is said to be a Duration,
"The opening hours for a business. Opening hours can be specified as a weekly time range, starting with days, then times per day. Multiple days can be listed with commas ',' separating each day. Day or time ranges are specified using a hyphen '-'.
- Days are specified using the following two-letter combinations: Mo, Tu, We, Th, Fr, Sa, Su.
- Times are specified using 24:00 time. For example, 3pm is specified as 15:00.
- Here is an example: <time itemprop="openingHours" datetime="Tu,Th 16:00-20:00">Tuesdays and Thursdays 4-8pm</time>.
- If a business is open 7 days a week, then it can be specified as <time itemprop="openingHours" datetime="Mo-Su">Monday through Sunday, all day</time>."

As part of the GoodRelations addition, there is also openingHoursSpecification which takes http://schema.org/OpeningHoursSpecification structures as a value.

The differences should be explained, and perhaps converged.