- From: Libby Miller <libby@asemantics.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:22:23 -0800 (PST)
- To: Thomas Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
- cc: SW Best Practices <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Sorry Tom, I have a meeting at that time tomorrow and won't be able to attend. Libby On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Thomas Baker wrote: > > I can attend Monday's SWBP telecon but will arrive late, > circa 18:30-18:45 UTC. > > I have attached the agenda for tomorrow's VM telecon, with > an up-to-date summary of where things stand. Note that we > will henceforth meet one hour later than before. > > Tom > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > SWBPD VM 2006-01-24 telecon agenda > > Tuesday, 15:00 UTC (16:00 Berlin) > http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20060124 > Zakim: +1.617.761.6200 > Conference code 8683# ('VMTF') > irc://irc.w3.org:6665/vmtf > > Recent telecons > -- 2006-01-10: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0005.html > -- 2006-01-17: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0079.html > > Next telecons (weekly) - note change of time: > -- 2005-01-31 Tue 1500 UTC http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20060131 > > AGENDA > > 1. Editor's Draft > "Best Practice Recipes for Serving RDFS and OWL Vocabularies" > http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/http-examples/2005-11-18/ > > 1.1. Status: We want to go for "note" status [4] within the > charter period for the BPD working group. BPDWG will > probably be extended by three months, so there will > be an opportunity to make revisions. > > 1.2. Name of the cookbook is "Best Practice Recipes for > Serving RDFS and OWL Vocabularies". This was decided > on Jan 17. Since then, Frank Manola has argued for > "shorter is better" > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Dec/0065.html. > Dan suggests pushing the metaphor to a sub-heading; referring > just to "RDF vocabs" instead of RDFS and OWL, and "publishing" > instead of "serving", > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Dec/0068.html. > > 2. Responses to reviews > > On Jan 10, we decided that in January we would discuss > reviewer comments and formulate responses to reviewers > on the list. > > 2.1. David Booth review > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0124.html > -- Global suggestions > G1. To discuss trade-offs between hash and slash URIs > Response: Ralph has addressed this with added text in the > introduction. David has not yet indicated whether he is > satisfied. > > G2. To avoid purl.org recipes, which violate TAG resolution > with 302 redirect code. > > Problem with purl.org: It is not enough to change all 302s to > 303s because 302 is appropriate for most URIs. So the purl.org > maintainers would have to implement a feature for users to > specify that some resource is a non-information resource. > This would require changes to the database. Are there any > options to do a double redirection? I.e. if purl returns a > 302 redirect, then my own server does a 303. On Jan 17, decided > to clarify with TAG whether inferences are supposed to be made > already on the initial response code. > > ACTION: Alistair draft the question (i.e., that only the > initial response code matters) for discussion in VM, then > send to TAG. Done on Jan 17: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0076.html > This draft note to TAG > -- suggests they coin a URI for class "resource" > (tag:informationResource) so that things like rdfs:Class, > owl:Class, and rdf:Property could be declared disjoint with it. > -- requests clarification on what implication one can draw when > 303 is returned as opposed to 200 ("X is a tag:infoResource"). > > ACTION: Alistair to put the purl.org material into an Appendix. > > -- Specific recipes > Recipe 3. Interpretation of a fragment identifier in the > presence of 303 redirects is unclear, so recipe > should note that browser may or may not apply > fragment identifier to secondary URI. > > -- Editorial suggestions > E1. Shorter URIs in the examples would be better. > Alistair would rather leave the longer URIs for now because > a UK server is configured to support them, see > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0034.html. > Ralph suggests using w3c URIs in the final version (with > shorter URIs for the examples). > > E2. At the beginning of each recipe, say what the URIs would return. > > Alistair proposes to illustrate this graphically, so added images > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0034.html. > David Booth actually intended simply to spell out which URIs > are redirected to. Ralph wonders whether the images really add any > new information. > > On Jan 18, Alistair reorganized recipes 1 and > 2, adding short description of outcomes as > per Booth suggestion. Added examples with > expected outcomes for purpose of testing. > Wants to organize the rest like this when > IE6 bug resolved. > > 2.2. Andreas Harth review > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0004.html > -- The document has too many choices - suggests > cutting down to 3 or 4 covering 80% of the cases. > -- Suggests content negotiation instead of mod_rewrite > modules. Response at: > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0016.html > -- Suggests mod_alias instead of mod_rewrite. > -- Maybe put purl.org examples into an appendix. > > 3. Default response > > RDF as the default response was discussed in > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0022.html > > Alistair finds that conditional redirects work different > with Mozilla and IE6 because the two browsers send different > Accept headers with an HTTP GET request. Hence if we want > URIs to be clickable in IE, either we > (a) leave the recipes as they are and ask IE to send more headers, or > (b) change the recipes around and ask RDF toolkits to send more > headers. > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0069.html > > Alistair proposes to make the recipes IE friendly and serve HTML content > as the default response where content negotiation is configured. > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0071.html > Initial tests show that this works as desired. > > 4. TAG httpRange-14 decision [10] > > There have been recent comments on the list about the TAG > decision by David Booth: [11] summarizing best practice > issues around the decision, [12] on minting http URIs, > and [13] on 302 versus 303 redirects; by David Wood: [15] > with a use case for RDF; and and by Jacco van Ossenbruggen > [14], reviewing the comments by David Wood and David Booth. > > In BPD, the idea arose to write a TAG-like "finding" > to explain the impact of the httpRange-14 decision. > David Booth and David Wood wrote drafts independently. > Probably not enough time in BPD to start a new document, > so could they be incorporated into cookbook? David Booth > agreed to go to propose a short section for us to consider. > General agreement that we should avoid getting too > historical -- just cover practical results. Some of > what David Booth has written could plausibly be recast > as introductory material on how to choose reasonable > namespace names. > > 5. Testing > > ACTION: Ralph to test recipes with W3C configuration. > > 6. xml:base and hash URIs > > On Jan 20, Alistair discovered that if you put a hash at the end > of the base URI, e.g.: > xml:base="http://example.com/foo#" > the hash is ignored when constructing relative URIs. Discussion followed. > > [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jun/0039.html > [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0055.html > [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0056.html > [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0123.html > [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0085.html > [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0010.html > > > > -- > Dr. Thomas Baker baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de > SUB - Goettingen State +49-551-39-3883 > and University Library +49-30-8109-9027 > Papendiek 14, 37073 Göttingen > > >
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