- From: Libby Miller <libby@asemantics.com>
- Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:22:23 -0800 (PST)
- To: Thomas Baker <tbaker@tbaker.de>
- cc: SW Best Practices <public-swbp-wg@w3.org>
Sorry Tom, I have a meeting at that time tomorrow and won't be able to
attend.
Libby
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006, Thomas Baker wrote:
>
> I can attend Monday's SWBP telecon but will arrive late,
> circa 18:30-18:45 UTC.
>
> I have attached the agenda for tomorrow's VM telecon, with
> an up-to-date summary of where things stand. Note that we
> will henceforth meet one hour later than before.
>
> Tom
>
>
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> SWBPD VM 2006-01-24 telecon agenda
>
> Tuesday, 15:00 UTC (16:00 Berlin)
> http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20060124
> Zakim: +1.617.761.6200
> Conference code 8683# ('VMTF')
> irc://irc.w3.org:6665/vmtf
>
> Recent telecons
> -- 2006-01-10: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0005.html
> -- 2006-01-17: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0079.html
>
> Next telecons (weekly) - note change of time:
> -- 2005-01-31 Tue 1500 UTC http://www.w3.org/Guide/1998/08/teleconference-calendar#D20060131
>
> AGENDA
>
> 1. Editor's Draft
> "Best Practice Recipes for Serving RDFS and OWL Vocabularies"
> http://www.w3.org/2001/sw/BestPractices/VM/http-examples/2005-11-18/
>
> 1.1. Status: We want to go for "note" status [4] within the
> charter period for the BPD working group. BPDWG will
> probably be extended by three months, so there will
> be an opportunity to make revisions.
>
> 1.2. Name of the cookbook is "Best Practice Recipes for
> Serving RDFS and OWL Vocabularies". This was decided
> on Jan 17. Since then, Frank Manola has argued for
> "shorter is better"
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Dec/0065.html.
> Dan suggests pushing the metaphor to a sub-heading; referring
> just to "RDF vocabs" instead of RDFS and OWL, and "publishing"
> instead of "serving",
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Dec/0068.html.
>
> 2. Responses to reviews
>
> On Jan 10, we decided that in January we would discuss
> reviewer comments and formulate responses to reviewers
> on the list.
>
> 2.1. David Booth review
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0124.html
> -- Global suggestions
> G1. To discuss trade-offs between hash and slash URIs
> Response: Ralph has addressed this with added text in the
> introduction. David has not yet indicated whether he is
> satisfied.
>
> G2. To avoid purl.org recipes, which violate TAG resolution
> with 302 redirect code.
>
> Problem with purl.org: It is not enough to change all 302s to
> 303s because 302 is appropriate for most URIs. So the purl.org
> maintainers would have to implement a feature for users to
> specify that some resource is a non-information resource.
> This would require changes to the database. Are there any
> options to do a double redirection? I.e. if purl returns a
> 302 redirect, then my own server does a 303. On Jan 17, decided
> to clarify with TAG whether inferences are supposed to be made
> already on the initial response code.
>
> ACTION: Alistair draft the question (i.e., that only the
> initial response code matters) for discussion in VM, then
> send to TAG. Done on Jan 17:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0076.html
> This draft note to TAG
> -- suggests they coin a URI for class "resource"
> (tag:informationResource) so that things like rdfs:Class,
> owl:Class, and rdf:Property could be declared disjoint with it.
> -- requests clarification on what implication one can draw when
> 303 is returned as opposed to 200 ("X is a tag:infoResource").
>
> ACTION: Alistair to put the purl.org material into an Appendix.
>
> -- Specific recipes
> Recipe 3. Interpretation of a fragment identifier in the
> presence of 303 redirects is unclear, so recipe
> should note that browser may or may not apply
> fragment identifier to secondary URI.
>
> -- Editorial suggestions
> E1. Shorter URIs in the examples would be better.
> Alistair would rather leave the longer URIs for now because
> a UK server is configured to support them, see
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0034.html.
> Ralph suggests using w3c URIs in the final version (with
> shorter URIs for the examples).
>
> E2. At the beginning of each recipe, say what the URIs would return.
>
> Alistair proposes to illustrate this graphically, so added images
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0034.html.
> David Booth actually intended simply to spell out which URIs
> are redirected to. Ralph wonders whether the images really add any
> new information.
>
> On Jan 18, Alistair reorganized recipes 1 and
> 2, adding short description of outcomes as
> per Booth suggestion. Added examples with
> expected outcomes for purpose of testing.
> Wants to organize the rest like this when
> IE6 bug resolved.
>
> 2.2. Andreas Harth review
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0004.html
> -- The document has too many choices - suggests
> cutting down to 3 or 4 covering 80% of the cases.
> -- Suggests content negotiation instead of mod_rewrite
> modules. Response at:
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0016.html
> -- Suggests mod_alias instead of mod_rewrite.
> -- Maybe put purl.org examples into an appendix.
>
> 3. Default response
>
> RDF as the default response was discussed in
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0022.html
>
> Alistair finds that conditional redirects work different
> with Mozilla and IE6 because the two browsers send different
> Accept headers with an HTTP GET request. Hence if we want
> URIs to be clickable in IE, either we
> (a) leave the recipes as they are and ask IE to send more headers, or
> (b) change the recipes around and ask RDF toolkits to send more
> headers.
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0069.html
>
> Alistair proposes to make the recipes IE friendly and serve HTML content
> as the default response where content negotiation is configured.
> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2006Jan/0071.html
> Initial tests show that this works as desired.
>
> 4. TAG httpRange-14 decision [10]
>
> There have been recent comments on the list about the TAG
> decision by David Booth: [11] summarizing best practice
> issues around the decision, [12] on minting http URIs,
> and [13] on 302 versus 303 redirects; by David Wood: [15]
> with a use case for RDF; and and by Jacco van Ossenbruggen
> [14], reviewing the comments by David Wood and David Booth.
>
> In BPD, the idea arose to write a TAG-like "finding"
> to explain the impact of the httpRange-14 decision.
> David Booth and David Wood wrote drafts independently.
> Probably not enough time in BPD to start a new document,
> so could they be incorporated into cookbook? David Booth
> agreed to go to propose a short section for us to consider.
> General agreement that we should avoid getting too
> historical -- just cover practical results. Some of
> what David Booth has written could plausibly be recast
> as introductory material on how to choose reasonable
> namespace names.
>
> 5. Testing
>
> ACTION: Ralph to test recipes with W3C configuration.
>
> 6. xml:base and hash URIs
>
> On Jan 20, Alistair discovered that if you put a hash at the end
> of the base URI, e.g.:
> xml:base="http://example.com/foo#"
> the hash is ignored when constructing relative URIs. Discussion followed.
>
> [10] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/www-tag/2005Jun/0039.html
> [11] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0055.html
> [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0056.html
> [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0123.html
> [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Dec/0085.html
> [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2005Sep/0010.html
>
>
>
> --
> Dr. Thomas Baker baker@sub.uni-goettingen.de
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>
>
>
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