- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:04:56 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
Minutes of today's telecon are in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/16-swbpd text version follows: [1]W3C [1] http://www.w3.org/ SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG 16 Sep 2004 [2]Agenda [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0047.html See also: [3]IRC log [3] http://www.w3.org/2004/09/16-swbp-irc Attendees Present Guus Schreiber, Andreas Harth, Ralph Swick, Tom Adams, Evan Wallace, Tom Baker, Fabien Gandon, Ben Booth Regrets Natasha, Brian, Jos, Alistair, Deb, David, Gary, Libby, Jeremy Chair Guus Scribe Ralph Previous [4]2004-09-02 [4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.html Next Meeting 30 Sep 1400 UTC Contents * Topics 1. [5]Administrivia 2. [6]Action Item Review 3. [7]Community Feedback 4. [8]Web Architecture Draft 5. [9]ODM/UML Ontology Profile 6. [10]RDF/TopicMaps 7. [11]TF Updates 8. [12]OEP 9. [13]Port 10. [14]Vocab Management 11. [15]HTML TF 12. [16]Tutorial Page 13. [17]ADTF * [18]Summary of Action Items _________________________________________________________________ Administrivia PROPOSED: accept [19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.ht ml as record of previous meeting [19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.html so RESOLVED PROPOSED: next telecon 30 Sep 1400 UTC <scribe> ACTION: Guus send e-mail about telecon attendance, as it's getting low TomA: regrets for 30 Sep <scribe> ACTION: Ralph post his attendance analysis ('good standing' record) to the list RESOLVED next telecon 30 Sep 1400 UTC <scribe> ACTION: Guus send email to Brian and Jeremy to create a local information page for FtF <scribe> ACTION: Ralph create a WBS registration page for the FtF Action Item Review ACTION David Contact Ben in regard to coordinating RDF in XHTML TF completed ACTION Gary look at DAWG's request and post comments to mailing list completed ACTION Jeremy to review XSD FNO and SCD documents. continue ACTION Jeremy to add XSD FNO and SCD documents to TF reference list. continue ACTION Jeremy to check semantics on DAWG use of XSD in abstract query model. continue [NEW] ACTION Guus: ping Jeremy about XSD actions Community Feedback -> [20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0043.ht ml SWBP Community Feedback [David 2004-09-13] [20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0043.html Guus: David distilled some comments from (outside) meetings he recently attended Evan: partOf was on our list of patterns at one time Guus: yes, Chris Welty wanted to do partOf, though perhaps to a greater detail than is suggested by David's item 2; I would like OEP to take this up Evan: agree <TomAdams> This was one of the conferences Dave was making comments after: [21]http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/09/15/egov.html [21] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/09/15/egov.html Guus: doing something more concrete for lat/lon might be welcomed Ralph: might also be done in APP TF if there is something existing that we could simply cite Evan: thought we talked about this and decided not to go that route specifically for units & measures. Point 4 from David's mail sounds like exactly where examples are what's needed Guus: Usability is another request for more examples Evan: what does the 'geeky' comment mean? Ralph: my sense was that this was a request for more basic materials; the problems addressed by our current notes are perhaps things that new adoptees of RDF&OWL are not yet facing Guus: I also hear community feedback requesting help on linking metdata to multimedia Ralph, TomA: tutorial page can serve to cite basic how-to materials also TomA: also talked with some folk putting satellite data into RDF; they might be a source for more information and examples, particularly for non-textual metadata; this may be a generic use case Web Architecture Draft -> [22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0037.ht ml Comments to Web Arch WD due 17 Sep [David 2004-09-10] [22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0037.html Ralph: perhaps Pat or Jos would like to craft a WG comment <scribe> ACTION: Guus contact Pat and Jos about Web Arch comments [Ralph: as the Web Arch comment deadline is tomorrow, the polite way to proceed if we were to ask for an extension is to send mail before the deadline saying we expect to comment soon] ODM/UML Ontology Profile -> [23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0044.ht ml more on the status of the OMG ontology specification [Evan 2004-09-13] [23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0044.html Evan: the document that several e-mails have cited is a combined set of comments on the UML draft. No mapping has actually been produced yet; at least 3 submitter groups are working on mappings; "MOF Query Views and Transformations" . The next OMG meeting is in November [same week as our FtF]; would be useful to have input from SWBPD. Guus: I want to study ODM in more depth, but my impression is that it would be useful for SWBP to comment on it Evan: it may be that this group's concern might be more in the mappings but we should look at the metamodel too Guus: I am willing to be one reviewer <BenBooth> I would be willing to assist (UML experience) ACTION Guus: ask the WG for a second reviewer for ODM Guus: Ben's offer accepted Evan: ask Gary Ng too. I looked over the models in June and was quite happy with them BenB: happy to work with someone in an assistance role <scribe> ACTION: BenB read ODM documents RDF/TopicMaps Guus: it would be nice to start this work in the next month TF Updates OEP [no one present] Port Guus: comments requested on Alistair's update -> [24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0041.ht ml [PORT] ftf goals [Alistair 2004-09-13] [24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0041.html WordNet [Aldo not present] Vocab Management TomB: telecon scheduled for tomorrow, 17-Sep 1400 UTC. Sent a questionnaire to TF; need more responses. I have been concerned about the scope of the TF; don't want to take on more than we can accomplish -> [25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0006.ht ml [VM] Scoping Draft with questions to TF members [TomB 2004-09-02] [25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0006.html TomB: I would like to recommend using Dublin Core practice to focus discussion ... e.g. Andy Powell just posted [to Dublin Core] a set of guidelines for assigning identifiers <Tbaker> [26]http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/term-identifier-guidelines/ [26] http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/term-identifier-guidelines/ -> [27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0060.ht ml [VM] Guidelines for assigning identifiers to terms [TomB 2004-09-16] [27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0060.html TomB: Andy Powell's document covers many of the issues I'd like the VM TF to address ... I'm concerned about the size of the task and the current volume of the [TF] response Guus: the chairs' guide, [28]The Art of Consensus, turns out not to be a 'document' but a page with lots of links. This turns out to be very useful and a model that could be emulated. [28] http://www.w3.org/Guide/ TomB: having something recognized in a Best Practice note from W3C would be useful. For example, the Dublin Core namespace policy is very accessible and could be endorsed by SWBPD. I want to break out topics that the WG could own, selecting a range of practices, describing those practices w/advantages and disadvantages Guus: I agree with Tom's approach -- focus on things that are out there TomB: my approach was to break out a few topics for the TF members to comment on. My bias is to write short things that are understandable by non-experts; need some commitment from the TF participants. I may reduce the scope even more in order to get comments from the TF Ralph: good to use the issues identified by deployment groups such as Dublin Core to drive our priorities Guus: nudge people on the list to provide feedback ACTION TomB: nudge VM TF participants to provide feedback HTML TF <Tbaker> Tom clarifies for the record that "endorsement" of things like DCMI Namespace Policy is not sought - rather recognition as one instance of good practice ACTION Ralph: ask WG for feedback on requirement to embed RDF/XML markup in an XHTML document [Ralph summarized Tuesday 7-Sep HTML TF telecon] <TomAdams> [29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0071.ht ml [29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0071.html Tutorial Page TomA: received some suggested additions [0071.html] ... we had agreed to use www-archive ... is it bad form to repost something sent privately to me to that archive? Ralph: yes, bad form; better to ask the sender to repost ADTF [no representative present] <Fabien> The [30]blog on applications and demos is slowly growing: [30] http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/archives/cat_applications_and_demos.html Guus: Task Forces should be able to use the Thursday WG telecon slot [on alternate weeks] Summary of Action Items ACTION: Jeremy to review XSD FNO and SCD documents. ACTION: Jeremy to add XSD FNO and SCD documents to TF reference list. ACTION: Jeremy to check semantics on DAWG use of XSD in abstract query model. [NEW] ACTION: Guus ping Jeremy about XSD actions [NEW] ACTION: BenB read ODM documents [NEW] ACTION: Guus contact Pat and Jos about Web Arch comments [NEW] ACTION: Guus send e-mail about telecon attendance, as it's getting low [NEW] ACTION: Guus send email to Brian and Jeremy to create a local information page for FtF [NEW] ACTION: Ralph create a WBS registration page for the FtF [NEW] ACTION: Ralph post his attendance analysis ('good standing' record) to the list _________________________________________________________________ Minutes formatted by David Booth's [31]scribe.perl 1.90 ([32]CVS log) $Date: 2004/09/17 02:04:46 $ [31] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/~checkout~/2002/scribe/scribe.perl [32] http://dev.w3.org/cvsweb/2002/scribe/scribe.perl
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