- From: Ralph R. Swick <swick@w3.org>
- Date: Thu, 16 Sep 2004 22:04:56 -0400
- To: public-swbp-wg@w3.org
Minutes of today's telecon are in http://www.w3.org/2004/09/16-swbpd
text version follows:
[1]W3C
[1] http://www.w3.org/
SemWeb Best Practices and Deployment WG
16 Sep 2004
[2]Agenda
[2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0047.html
See also: [3]IRC log
[3] http://www.w3.org/2004/09/16-swbp-irc
Attendees
Present
Guus Schreiber, Andreas Harth, Ralph Swick, Tom Adams, Evan
Wallace, Tom Baker, Fabien Gandon, Ben Booth
Regrets
Natasha, Brian, Jos, Alistair, Deb, David, Gary, Libby, Jeremy
Chair
Guus
Scribe
Ralph
Previous
[4]2004-09-02
[4] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.html
Next Meeting
30 Sep 1400 UTC
Contents
* Topics
1. [5]Administrivia
2. [6]Action Item Review
3. [7]Community Feedback
4. [8]Web Architecture Draft
5. [9]ODM/UML Ontology Profile
6. [10]RDF/TopicMaps
7. [11]TF Updates
8. [12]OEP
9. [13]Port
10. [14]Vocab Management
11. [15]HTML TF
12. [16]Tutorial Page
13. [17]ADTF
* [18]Summary of Action Items
_________________________________________________________________
Administrivia
PROPOSED: accept
[19]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.ht
ml as record of previous meeting
[19] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0067.html
so RESOLVED
PROPOSED: next telecon 30 Sep 1400 UTC
<scribe> ACTION: Guus send e-mail about telecon attendance, as it's
getting low
TomA: regrets for 30 Sep
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph post his attendance analysis ('good standing'
record) to the list
RESOLVED next telecon 30 Sep 1400 UTC
<scribe> ACTION: Guus send email to Brian and Jeremy to create a local
information page for FtF
<scribe> ACTION: Ralph create a WBS registration page for the FtF
Action Item Review
ACTION David Contact Ben in regard to coordinating RDF in XHTML TF
completed
ACTION Gary look at DAWG's request and post comments to mailing list
completed
ACTION Jeremy to review XSD FNO and SCD documents.
continue
ACTION Jeremy to add XSD FNO and SCD documents to TF reference list.
continue
ACTION Jeremy to check semantics on DAWG use of XSD in abstract query
model.
continue
[NEW] ACTION Guus: ping Jeremy about XSD actions
Community Feedback
->
[20]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0043.ht
ml SWBP Community Feedback [David 2004-09-13]
[20] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0043.html
Guus: David distilled some comments from (outside) meetings he
recently attended
Evan: partOf was on our list of patterns at one time
Guus: yes, Chris Welty wanted to do partOf, though perhaps to a
greater detail than is suggested by David's item 2; I would like OEP
to take this up
Evan: agree
<TomAdams> This was one of the conferences Dave was making comments
after: [21]http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/09/15/egov.html
[21] http://www.xml.com/pub/a/2004/09/15/egov.html
Guus: doing something more concrete for lat/lon might be welcomed
Ralph: might also be done in APP TF if there is something existing
that we could simply cite
Evan: thought we talked about this and decided not to go that route
specifically for units & measures. Point 4 from David's mail sounds
like exactly where examples are what's needed
Guus: Usability is another request for more examples
Evan: what does the 'geeky' comment mean?
Ralph: my sense was that this was a request for more basic materials;
the problems addressed by our current notes are perhaps things that
new adoptees of RDF&OWL are not yet facing
Guus: I also hear community feedback requesting help on linking
metdata to multimedia
Ralph, TomA: tutorial page can serve to cite basic how-to materials
also
TomA: also talked with some folk putting satellite data into RDF; they
might be a source for more information and examples, particularly for
non-textual metadata; this may be a generic use case
Web Architecture Draft
->
[22]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0037.ht
ml Comments to Web Arch WD due 17 Sep [David 2004-09-10]
[22] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0037.html
Ralph: perhaps Pat or Jos would like to craft a WG comment
<scribe> ACTION: Guus contact Pat and Jos about Web Arch comments
[Ralph: as the Web Arch comment deadline is tomorrow, the polite way
to proceed if we were to ask for an extension is to send mail before
the deadline saying we expect to comment soon]
ODM/UML Ontology Profile
->
[23]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0044.ht
ml more on the status of the OMG ontology specification [Evan
2004-09-13]
[23] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0044.html
Evan: the document that several e-mails have cited is a combined set
of comments on the UML draft. No mapping has actually been produced
yet; at least 3 submitter groups are working on mappings; "MOF Query
Views and Transformations" . The next OMG meeting is in November [same
week as our FtF]; would be useful to have input from SWBPD.
Guus: I want to study ODM in more depth, but my impression is that it
would be useful for SWBP to comment on it
Evan: it may be that this group's concern might be more in the
mappings but we should look at the metamodel too
Guus: I am willing to be one reviewer
<BenBooth> I would be willing to assist (UML experience)
ACTION Guus: ask the WG for a second reviewer for ODM
Guus: Ben's offer accepted
Evan: ask Gary Ng too. I looked over the models in June and was quite
happy with them
BenB: happy to work with someone in an assistance role
<scribe> ACTION: BenB read ODM documents
RDF/TopicMaps
Guus: it would be nice to start this work in the next month
TF Updates
OEP
[no one present]
Port
Guus: comments requested on Alistair's update
->
[24]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0041.ht
ml [PORT] ftf goals [Alistair 2004-09-13]
[24] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0041.html
WordNet
[Aldo not present]
Vocab Management
TomB: telecon scheduled for tomorrow, 17-Sep 1400 UTC. Sent a
questionnaire to TF; need more responses. I have been concerned about
the scope of the TF; don't want to take on more than we can accomplish
->
[25]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0006.ht
ml [VM] Scoping Draft with questions to TF members [TomB 2004-09-02]
[25] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0006.html
TomB: I would like to recommend using Dublin Core practice to focus
discussion
... e.g. Andy Powell just posted [to Dublin Core] a set of guidelines
for assigning identifiers
<Tbaker>
[26]http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/term-identifier-guidelines/
[26] http://www.ukoln.ac.uk/metadata/dcmi/term-identifier-guidelines/
->
[27]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0060.ht
ml [VM] Guidelines for assigning identifiers to terms [TomB
2004-09-16]
[27] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0060.html
TomB: Andy Powell's document covers many of the issues I'd like the VM
TF to address
... I'm concerned about the size of the task and the current volume of
the [TF] response
Guus: the chairs' guide, [28]The Art of Consensus, turns out not to be
a 'document' but a page with lots of links. This turns out to be very
useful and a model that could be emulated.
[28] http://www.w3.org/Guide/
TomB: having something recognized in a Best Practice note from W3C
would be useful. For example, the Dublin Core namespace policy is very
accessible and could be endorsed by SWBPD. I want to break out topics
that the WG could own, selecting a range of practices, describing
those practices w/advantages and disadvantages
Guus: I agree with Tom's approach -- focus on things that are out
there
TomB: my approach was to break out a few topics for the TF members to
comment on. My bias is to write short things that are understandable
by non-experts; need some commitment from the TF participants. I may
reduce the scope even more in order to get comments from the TF
Ralph: good to use the issues identified by deployment groups such as
Dublin Core to drive our priorities
Guus: nudge people on the list to provide feedback
ACTION TomB: nudge VM TF participants to provide feedback
HTML TF
<Tbaker> Tom clarifies for the record that "endorsement" of things
like DCMI Namespace Policy is not sought - rather recognition as one
instance of good practice
ACTION Ralph: ask WG for feedback on requirement to embed RDF/XML
markup in an XHTML document
[Ralph summarized Tuesday 7-Sep HTML TF telecon]
<TomAdams>
[29]http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0071.ht
ml
[29] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-swbp-wg/2004Sep/0071.html
Tutorial Page
TomA: received some suggested additions [0071.html]
... we had agreed to use www-archive
... is it bad form to repost something sent privately to me to that
archive?
Ralph: yes, bad form; better to ask the sender to repost
ADTF
[no representative present]
<Fabien> The [30]blog on applications and demos is slowly growing:
[30] http://esw.w3.org/mt/esw/archives/cat_applications_and_demos.html
Guus: Task Forces should be able to use the Thursday WG telecon slot
[on alternate weeks]
Summary of Action Items
ACTION: Jeremy to review XSD FNO and SCD documents.
ACTION: Jeremy to add XSD FNO and SCD documents to TF reference list.
ACTION: Jeremy to check semantics on DAWG use of XSD in abstract query
model.
[NEW] ACTION: Guus ping Jeremy about XSD actions
[NEW] ACTION: BenB read ODM documents
[NEW] ACTION: Guus contact Pat and Jos about Web Arch comments
[NEW] ACTION: Guus send e-mail about telecon attendance, as it's
getting low
[NEW] ACTION: Guus send email to Brian and Jeremy to create a local
information page for FtF
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph create a WBS registration page for the FtF
[NEW] ACTION: Ralph post his attendance analysis ('good standing'
record) to the list
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