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Re: process request -- was: Using a Smart Client

From: <henry.story@bblfish.net>
Date: Sun, 8 Mar 2015 15:40:26 +0100
Cc: Elf Pavlik <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org>, Social Web Working Group <public-socialweb@w3.org>
Message-Id: <FA1A367A-DB37-4F4B-BEB1-605F86725458@bblfish.net>
To: Halpin Harry <hhalpin@w3.org>

> On 8 Mar 2015, at 15:27, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
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> On 03/08/2015 11:54 AM, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ wrote:
>> On 03/08/2015 08:18 AM, henry.story@bblfish.net wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On 8 Mar 2015, at 02:56, Harry Halpin <hhalpin@w3.org> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On 03/07/2015 10:13 PM, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ wrote:
>>>>>> On 03/07/2015 06:32 PM, henry.story@bblfish.net wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 7 Mar 2015, at 18:17, ☮ elf Pavlik ☮ 
>>>>>>>> <perpetual-tripper@wwelves.org> wrote:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 03/07/2015 06:05 PM, henry.story@bblfish.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>> [snip] Tanket wrote: " too much plumbing for v1."
>>>>>>>>> What is too much plumbing?
>>>>>>>> Henry, both Tantek and Aaron choose not to participate
>>>>>>>> in this mailing list, I recommend you discussing it
>>>>>>>> with them over IRC
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> you can lave messages there using !tell e.g. !tell
>>>>>>>> tantek let's talk about Using a Smart Client
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> ?!?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Sorry but participation in W3C WG requires all members to
>>>>>>> use the same mailing list. We can't just work over 20
>>>>>>> different channels. What is written elsewhere, is not
>>>>>>> archived by the W3C and so has no weight in the process.
>>>>>> You could also meet on IRC and even use one time call
>>>>>> bridge 
>>>>>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialig#Instructions_for_creating_a_one-time_call_bridge
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
> AFAIK you can invite RRSAgent any time to #social IRC channel and
>>>>>> it will log the conversation
>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2002/03/RRSAgent
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Henry, I can understand your frustration but also please
>>>>>> understand that Tantek, Aaron and other IndieWeb folks find
>>>>>> mailing lists unproductive and draining energy. IMO we
>>>>>> don't have 20 but just 4 official channels: mailing-list,
>>>>>> wiki, IRC, tracker + telecons which gives us enough
>>>>>> flexibility to not force others to do something they really
>>>>>> don't want to do. And I know that you use IRC anyways :)
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> BTW on #indiewebcamp IRC i see Postel's law mentioned
>>>>>> pretty often 
>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robustness_principle "Be
>>>>>> conservative in what you send, be liberal in what you
>>>>>> accept"
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Cheers!
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I'd like clarification on process from the W3C
>>> 
>>> They are subscribed to the mailing list and attend calls.
>>> However, I don't think there's any part of W3C process that
>>> requires WG members to respond to every email they get. I suggest
>>> that you try to chat with them over IRC as well, and we can raise
>>> this issue on the next telecon.
>>> 
>>>> Fine for raising it at the next teleconf.
>> added to 
>> https://www.w3.org/wiki/Socialwg/2015-03-10#Additional_Agenda_Items
>> 
>> 
> Yes, it's important that everyone have their voices heard. It's normal
> in W3C to use IRC and a wiki in addition to email. I do agree its a
> problem when folks get "out of sync" with communication tools, which
> is why weekly telecons are important.

It's not about hearing voices. It's about dialog:  if the channels
are split it cannot be a group discussion, so that we cannot really
be transformed by the process. Also if you wish to have all the 
discussions on the one organised teleconference, then I'd suggest you 
make a request to extend the Working Group's life by another 5 or 6
years, because the bandwidth on that channel is very low, short, and
often noisy, with people loosing connections, etc... There are the 
working group meetings but not everyone is attending those either 
and they only happen twice a year.

For the moment btw, I don't really know if Tantek really would be
online and answer if I call him there. That was just Elf's suggestion.
But in any case the problem goes beyond this particular case.


> 
>         cheers,
>              harry
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