Re: ComicSeries publisher/imprint

I should have read the rest of the thread before replying :-)  Now I get the "publisher or imprint" thing.  I recall the ambiguity being much more difficult with books.  With US comics, it's either the legal company in the indicia, or some sort of visible marking, or it's the "master publisher" which is usually intuitively obvious, and in the other cases is something that we just continually research and adjust.

But yes, I think this project should address the real.  The GCD is interested in the ideal, but has a review system set up to guide the data into the correct spots (it's still a huge and frequent area of contention, even so).

thanks,
-henry


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> From: Karen Coyle <kcoyle@kcoyle.net>
>To: Owen Stephens <owen@ostephens.com>; "public-schemabibex@w3.org" <public-schemabibex@w3.org> 
>Sent: Monday, December 9, 2013 10:23 AM
>Subject: Re: ComicSeries publisher/imprint
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>agreed. Not only is there often not a clear distinction, we can hardly 
>expect many people to be able to make the distinction (or even for it to 
>make a difference for their purposes), and existing metadata often does 
>not distinguish between them. This is an example of the fine (or even 
>thick) line between ideal data and real data. Regardless of how you 
>model the ideal, you do need to address the real.
>
>kc
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>On 12/9/13, 9:42 AM, Owen Stephens wrote:
>> I agree from a data/modelling point of view - I'm just pointing out that
>> when one has a label in hand like "Pergamon" it is difficult to know
>> whether this is the Publisher or the Imprint (in this case it could be
>> either as Pergamon was a publisher and is now an Imprint owned by
>> Elsevier I think). How to handle the situation where the data publisher
>> either doesn't know or doesn't care about this distinction?
>>
>> My argument is that if we create a property of 'imprint' or 'publisher'
>> then we have to accept and expect that the values put into these will
>> inevitably be a mixture of both.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>> Owen Stephens
>> Owen Stephens Consulting
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>> On 9 Dec 2013, at 16:14, Thad Guidry <thadguidry@gmail.com
>> <mailto:thadguidry@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>
>>>     But there may be an advantage to maintaining "imprint" as a distinct
>>>     property that defines a stronger relationship to the work being
>>>     described, rather than just adding one of a list of possible imprints
>>>     to the overall understanding of the publisher.
>>>
>>>     Thanks,
>>>     Dan
>>>
>>>
>>> There is an advantage to maintaining a separate imprint.
>>>
>>> In Freebase, we decided to add Imprint as a property under Publisher.
>>> Ex.
>>> https://www.freebase.com/m/0n3j8jg?props=⟨=en&filter=%2Fbook%2Fpublishing_company&filter=%2Forganization%2Forganization&all=true
>>>
>>> (Also, Imprints, just like Publishers, can be co-typed as
>>> Organizations themselves)
>>>
>>> And Imprints, just like Publishers, are sometimes acquired or sold
>>> over time.  So we also made sure to make Imprint a date mediated
>>> property, as well.
>>>
>>> FYI,
>>> --
>>> -Thad
>>> +ThadGuidry <https://www.google.com/+ThadGuidry>
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>>> Thad on LinkedIn <http://www.linkedin.com/in/thadguidry/>
>>
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