- From: Manu Sporny <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>
- Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 10:17:48 -0400
- To: Linked JSON <public-linked-json@w3.org>
- CC: RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Thanks to Niklas for scribing! The minutes from this week's telecon are now available. http://json-ld.org/minutes/2013-10-22/ A full transcript of the meeting can be found below. Audio for the call is available at the link provided above. ------------------------------------------------------------------- JSON-LD Community Group Telecon Minutes for 2013-10-22 Agenda: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Oct/0052.html Topics: 1. Bug in @reverse algorithm 2. Proposed Recommendation Plan Resolutions: 1. Apply the fix to the @reverse algorithm as detailed by Markus and merge the fix into the JSON-LD Algorithms prior to Proposed Recommendation publication. Chair: Manu Sporny Scribe: Niklas Lindström Present: Manu Sporny, Niklas Lindström, Gregg Kellogg, Paul Kuykendall, Markus Lanthaler, David I. Lehn Audio: http://json-ld.org/minutes/2013-10-22/audio.ogg Manu Sporny: today: 1. the bug with reverse + id, 2. going to PR [scribe assist by Niklas Lindström] Niklas Lindström is scribing. Topic: Bug in @reverse algorithm Manu Sporny: pierre-antoine found a bug with the reverse algorithm; verified by gregg and markus. Proposals to address the bug bug Markus and Dave. Markus' proposal is merged into the spec Markus Lanthaler: https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/commit/2346834ade454dc5dd608e0b3822d945e7a86ca9 Gregg Kellogg: https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/pull/304 Gregg Kellogg: I implemented Markus' change and passed the test. Dave commented an alternative solution, but since that's based on an algorithm divergence, it can't directly be used. Gregg Kellogg: and that fixes the JS impl. … we need to prep the spec for transitions today, and update reports ... strictly, we may have until the transition meeting, but having them 'til tomorrow should do Niklas Lindström: I just checked my rdflib version as well, so this works. This was a bug, nothing that should be construed as an intentional change. [scribe assist by Manu Sporny] dave longely has updated the JS, PHP and Python impls. Gregg Kellogg: the purpose of the CR phase is to find problems just like this. PROPOSAL: Apply the fix to the @reverse algorithm as detailed by Markus and merge the fix into the JSON-LD Algorithms prior to Proposed Recommendation publication. Niklas Lindström: +1 Manu Sporny: +1 Gregg Kellogg: +1 Paul Kuykendall: +1 Markus Lanthaler: +1 RESOLUTION: Apply the fix to the @reverse algorithm as detailed by Markus and merge the fix into the JSON-LD Algorithms prior to Proposed Recommendation publication. Topic: Proposed Recommendation Plan Manu Sporny: I went through the mailing list and looked for any comments not tracked. We've sent out responses on all but one issue. … The one just resolved. I'll send out a response to Pierre-Antoine. Markus Lanthaler: are mails to the list official comments? Manu Sporny: no, not formally. But it's a good practise to operate like this. Manu Sporny: http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products/18 Markus Lanthaler: agreed. Manu Sporny: all of these are tracked in the RDF WG tracker. Markus Lanthaler: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-comments/2013Oct/0074.html Simon made an official reponse on explaining @type, with suggested editorial changes. Markus Lanthaler: we could pick the wordings we like Gregg Kellogg: do we have a note for the uses of type? Markus Lanthaler: yes, in 6.4 Markus Lanthaler: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld/#typed-values Markus Lanthaler: http://json-ld.org/spec/latest/json-ld/#specifying-the-type Gregg Kellogg: if it was formatted as a Note, it should make it easier for people to pull that in Manu Sporny: I agree. Markus Lanthaler: in which section, 5.4 or 6.4? Gregg Kellogg: or two notes... … and these sections could reference each other. … up towards the top of each, add notes to address Simon's desired wording Manu Sporny: In section 5.4, towards the end, we do spell it out though.. Gregg Kellogg: it's really a matter of formatting them Markus Lanthaler: from an rdf point of view, that distinction is since literal's can't be subjects in RDF Markus Lanthaler: editorial changes like this (formatting notes) could be postponed to after PR Manu Sporny: once we put it up as a PR, the voting is on accepting it as is (apart from e.g. spelling errors) … If we introduce new language, we may diverge from RDF concepts.. … the best right now is to put notes in to emphasize this. ... we could put the last part of 5.4 as a note block. Markus Lanthaler: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-linked-json/2013Oct/0016.html Niklas Lindström: Yes, the text at the end of section 5.4, that should be a note. [scribe assist by Manu Sporny] Markus Lanthaler: and not introduce new concepts like node type and value type. ... could otherwise affect the api spec.. Manu Sporny: any objections? [none] Manu going through the issues, ensuring that we've resolved and responded Manu checking http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/track/products/18 issues. Markus Lanthaler: Shall we merge https://github.com/json-ld/json-ld.org/pull/303 now (make API non-normative)? Gregg Kellogg: I think it's good. Gregg Kellogg: we need to dicuss the timeline for preparing the documents Manu Sporny: we're planning a transition call on october 30th … the PR document to be done then ... we need the notes and merge the pull requests Markus Lanthaler: and to write the PR request (the document, who reviewed, etc.) Markus Lanthaler: http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-wg/2013Oct/0223.html Manu Sporny: same as before, for CR (the wiki page), plus the additions made during CR [mlnt will make a draft, gkellogg and m4nu will review it before tomorrow's call] Manu Sporny: plus references to the 4 issues, how we ruled, and the responses Markus Lanthaler: the proposed date is the 5th of november (made during the last RDF call) ... before the moratorium Gregg Kellogg: the RDF concepts should be in CR by then ... hopefully Manu Sporny: I'll add the note, markus will merge the pull requests plus fix the wiki page for PR req. tomorrow Gregg Kellogg: people should send in updated earl reports if they can Gregg Kellogg: and send links with the updates to the public-rdf-comments Paul Kuykendall: so the json-ld test-suite is completely up to date? Markus Lanthaler: yes Gregg Kellogg: https://github.com/tobie/respec-issues Gregg Kellogg: I just came across these respec issues -- manu -- Manu Sporny (skype: msporny, twitter: manusporny, G+: +Manu Sporny) Founder/CEO - Digital Bazaar, Inc. blog: Meritora - Web payments commercial launch http://blog.meritora.com/launch/
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