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Re: regrets and a new spin on contexts

From: Pat Hayes <phayes@ihmc.us>
Date: Sat, 28 Apr 2012 22:52:34 -0500
Cc: W3C RDF WG <public-rdf-wg@w3.org>
Message-Id: <BBA628E9-2F53-49EC-B642-C8D055703322@ihmc.us>
To: Thomas Baker <tom@tombaker.org>
Thanks for the interesting examples. Yes, this is exactly what I had in mind. I am sure that this kind of thing will continue to happen, and it might be good to provide a mechanism to allow it to be organized using Web methods rather than kind of ignored or treated as Bad Practice. BTW, it happens off the Web, as well, in any reasonably large-scale (say, 4-5 man-years and up) ontology project. It happened all the time in Cyc, and adopting the context meachanism was crucial in overcoming the resulting problems. 

Regarding the terminology, I really have no axe to grind for "sematnic extension" other than it is already in the 2004 RDF specs, so it seemed like less of a reach to suggest making it explicoit under that name. I actually prefer the original "context" terminology. But if people prefer something else altogether, Im cool with whatever we call it. 


On Apr 25, 2012, at 12:00 PM, Thomas Baker wrote:

> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 12:45:31AM -0700, Pat Hayes wrote:
>> Second, I have written up essentially the same proposal in a slightly
>> different terminology which might (?) be more palatable, anyway it is there
>> for inspection at http://www.w3.org/2011/rdf-wg/wiki/AnotherSpin
> I like this proposal.  Let me test my understanding of it with reference to
> some examples "from the wild":
> 1) As an example of "a named public agreement to use a particular vocabulary of
>   IRIs... with a particular meaning" consider "Dublin Core in OWL 2" [1] -- an
>   interpretation of DCMI Metadata Terms undertaken completely independently of
>   DCMI which offers Turtle and RDF/XML for an "annotation property
>   version" [2] and an "object and datatype property version" [3] of DCMI's
>   /terms/ vocabulary, e.g.:
>    dcterms:dateCopyrighted a owl:AnnotationProperty ;
>        rdfs:label "Date Copyrighted"@en-us ;
>        skos:definition "Date of copyright."@en-us ;
>        rdfs:subPropertyOf dcterms:date ;
>        rdfs:range rdfs:Literal .
> 2) Again from the Dublin Core context, an example of what Pat calls 
>   "informally expressed descriptions of constraints":  When the notion of
>   Application Profile entered DC discourse in 2000, it came to be seen as a
>   construct which, by definition, only "re-used" terms coined elsewhere (i.e.,
>   in vocabularies, or "element sets", as they were called).  The purpose of an
>   Application Profile was to document how a particular application or
>   community used terms from different vocabularies to meet particular
>   descriptive requirements.  But what alot of people wanted to do, it turned out,
>   was to say: "We're using DC Creator, but we're using it specifically for
>   Composers."  There was alot of discussion to the effect that yes, you can
>   re-label dc:creator "Composer", but that that does nothing to change the
>   global meaning of the property.
> In both the formal "DC-in-OWL2" case and in many of the less formal
> "application profile" cases, the authors of these "semantic extensions" (in
> Pat's sense) replicated definitional information from DCMI's documentation --
> as in the example above -- presumably in order simply to present self-contained
> documentation.  There was some discussion to the effect that it would be more
> elegant (and in principle more maintainable) if the documentation were layered,
> such that annotations would simply be added to the "canonical" definitional
> information imported directly from DCMI, but nobody came forward with a
> convincing method for doing this in practice.
> Alot of people said they wanted to "extend" Dublin Core, but what this often
> meant, in practice, was that they wanted to coin more properties.  The notion
> that application profiles should carefully avoid "extending" existing DC
> properties semantically was part of this discussion.
> My point is that these issues basically bubbled up, and they pointed at deeper
> questions about whether vocabulary owners really do have as much control over
> the interpretation of their IRIs as we believe they should have in order for
> the global hypothesis to work in practice.  Even if we don't exactly want to
> encourage people to make "extensions", it is a good thing to give them a name
> because this is something that people do.  "Allow[ing] users to be explicit
> about which semantic assumptions they wish to inherit in their RDF assertions"
> is a step in the right direction.
> However, I do not like calling these things "semantic extensions".  Pat talks
> about imposing additional "conditions" or "constraints" on the interpretation
> of IRIs.  To me, "limiting" and "constraining" are the opposite of "extending".
> As in the DC discussion ten years ago, the word "extension" hints at things
> quite different from limiting and constraining (like coining new IRIs).  If the
> intended scope of "semantic extensions of RDF" is the interpretation of
> existing IRIs, could we call them something like "semantic annotations" or
> perhaps "semantic clarifications"?
> Tom
> [1] http://bloody-byte.net/rdf/dc_owl2dl/index.html
> [2] http://purl.org/NET/dc_owl2dl/terms
> [3] http://purl.org/NET/dc_owl2dl/terms_od
> -- 
> Tom Baker <tom@tombaker.org>

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