Re: the role of public-rdf-shapes@w3.org

Hi Peter,

As you know, I too am grateful for your feedback. I thank you for taking 
the time to review the spec and share your findings.

The WG has adopted a process to deal with public comments in which WG 
members are welcomed to answer public comments directly to the extent 
possible. All WG members are on this list and on the look out for 
controversial statements. When necessary issues will be discussed within 
the WG and if necessary recorded as formal issues in tracker. I can assure 
you that the WG is paying attention as the agenda of this week's call 
shows.

Technically speaking, the process doesn't require us to formally dispose 
of the comments we receive at this stage on the Recommendation track but 
it's to everybody's benefit to try and address them earlier rather than 
later.

To that end I think we all gain from having WG members engage with you 
(and other people who are commenting on this list) in an effort to 
understand what the problems you're raising are and testing whether a 
particular answer might address them.

If you feel that the answers you are getting fail to adequately address 
your issues, please, let us know which ones they are.

Thank you.
--
Arnaud  Le Hors - Senior Technical Staff Member, Open Web Technologies - 
IBM Cloud


"Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com> wrote on 09/28/2016 
07:40:45 AM:

> From: "Peter F. Patel-Schneider" <pfpschneider@gmail.com>
> To: Simon Steyskal <simon.steyskal@wu.ac.at>
> Cc: public-rdf-shapes@w3.org
> Date: 09/28/2016 07:42 AM
> Subject: Re: the role of public-rdf-shapes@w3.org
> 
> On 09/27/2016 10:15 PM, Simon Steyskal wrote:
> > Hi Peter!
> > 
> > First, I think I speak for the majority of the WG when I say that I 
truly
> > appreciate your effort in thoroughly reviewing the SHACL spec. Thanks 
a lot!
> 
> Thanks.  It is reassuring to have a message that goes counter to the 
recent
> actions of the working group and communication within it.
> 
> >> I have been playing along by responding to personal responses to 
> my comments
> >> on "Shapes Constraint Language (SHACL)" that I have sent to
> >> public-rdf-shapes@w3.org.
> > 
> > Unfortunately, I'm not really sure what you mean with "I have been 
playing
> > along by responding to personal responses to my comments". Could 
> you elaborate
> > on that?
> 
> There have been a number of responses to my messages from individual 
members
> of the working group.  I have tried to respond to these as best I can, 
even
> though this mailing list should be for communications between the 
working
> group and commenters on the documents produced by the working group. 
Back and
> forth involving members of the working group acting personally instead 
of for
> the working group as a whole generally ends up making it harder to 
determine
> whether the working group is meeting its requirement to adequately 
address
> comments on its documents.
> 
> >> These messages are all intended to be official comments on the 
document. I
> >> await a response from the W3C Data Shapes Working Group for each 
> and every one
> >> of them.
> > 
> > Just for clarification, do you mean "response from the WG" as in [1]?
> 
> Well, such a message is part of what the working needs to do to 
adequately
> address comments.  However, the referenced message is not a complete 
response
> as it does not contain information on the result of the issues opened as 
a
> result of the message.
> 
> > br,
> > simon
> > 
> > [1] 
https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rdf-shapes/2016May/0008.html
> > 
> > ---
> > DDipl.-Ing. Simon Steyskal
> > Institute for Information Business, WU Vienna
> > 
> > www: http://www.steyskal.info/  twitter: @simonsteys
> 
> peter
> 
> 
> 
> 
> > Am 2016-09-28 00:51, schrieb Peter F. Patel-Schneider:
> >> I have been playing along by responding to personal responses to 
> my comments
> >> on "Shapes Constraint Language (SHACL)" that I have sent to
> >> public-rdf-shapes@w3.org.
> >>
> >> These messages are all intended to be official comments on the 
document. I
> >> await a response from the W3C Data Shapes Working Group for each 
> and every one
> >> of them.
> >>
> >>
> >> Peter F. Patel-Schneider
> >> Nuance Communications
>