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Re: We need to start building a community (Re: Primer updated with a Changes section)

From: Simone Onofri <simone.onofri@gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2008 10:37:09 +0100
Message-ID: <52bd7c3d0803080137i8250388k9aff6631d34423a0@mail.gmail.com>
To: "Ivan Herman" <ivan@w3.org>
Cc: "Manu Sporny" <msporny@digitalbazaar.com>, RDFa <public-rdf-in-xhtml-tf@w3.org>, "Ralph R. Swick" <swick@w3.org>

Hi All,

I hope the creation of a Community to support RDFa in the Wide (World
Web) is not only a great idea, but also a necessary thing. We can
follow the example of Micoformats community and making it better.

As also Manu wrote, can be a good idea to mantiain this stuff on W3C,
if it's possibile

I'll volunteer for help Manu for technical questions and to do XHTML,
CSS and graphics if is needed.



On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Ivan Herman <ivan@w3.org> wrote:
> Manu,
>  I fully agree with the goals but, well... I am not sure why we
>  should/would go out of W3C to achieve all this. We should explore the
>  possibility to keep the community bound to W3C, too. We can look at the
>  issue of
>  - mailing lists (to set up extra mailings lists beyond what we have):
>  this is trivially possible at W3C
>  - Wiki: W3C is moving to MediaWiki. The newer working groups (like OWL)
>  use MediaWiki, some of the older wikis are transformed into media wiki,
>  too. Ie, it should be possible to set up, if we want, a dedicated mediawiki
>  - rdfa.info already exists as a blogging platform. Although it could be
>  possible to set up a blogging platform at W3C, too (eg, the Mobile Web
>  community has that), we may want to stick with rdfa.info
>  So why going 'away' from W3C?
>  Ivan
>  Manu Sporny wrote:
>  > Mark Birbeck wrote:
>  >> Or we might decide that we want a document that walks the reader
>  >> through lots of worked examples, and so helps people get up and
>  >> running quickly. If so, maybe that's a standalone document in its own
>  >> right, independent of some 'simplified syntax', that provides the
>  >> walkthroughs, and nothing more? (In other words, maybe we need
>  >> separate documents for "RDFa Syntax Primer" and "RDFa Primer".)
>  >
>  > I don't think more pages like the Primer or Syntax document is going to
>  > fix this particular set of issues.
>  >
>  > We need a wiki - a good wiki that is open to the public to edit. We also
>  > need public community mailing lists. We need to start thinking about
>  > building a community around RDFa. There are not enough of us to address
>  > all of these education issues and the rest of the issues to come.
>  >
>  > We can't keep depending on W3C documents to educate the everyday web
>  > developer.
>  >
>  > One must only look to the Microformats community to see a good example
>  > of how to get a community started. It would be good to model the RDFa
>  > community from the things that the Microformats community got right:
>  >
>  > - Their main website
>  > - Their wiki
>  > - Their mailing lists
>  > - Community involvement
>  >
>  > We need:
>  >
>  > - A clean/simple website directing people to various RDFa resources -
>  >   like rdfa.info - but cleaner and less generic.
>  > - A modern, skinnable, extensible wiki (such as MediaWiki)
>  > - An RDFa wiki at an easy to remember URI: http://rdfa.info/wiki
>  > - Mailing list for: discussion about using RDFa
>  >
>  > The problem with documents is that we assume an order of teaching that
>  > does not gel with everyone. I'm sure Ben, Mark and I have very different
>  > ideas of what the Primer document should be and that is an indicator
>  > that there is a) too much information that we want to put in the Primer
>  > and b) there are numerous ways, all valid, of teaching RDFa to beginners.
>  >
>  > Rather than bet on one horse to do this - we should be entering multiple
>  > horses in the race. We should have a wiki that contains simple to
>  > complex examples for every vocabulary that we're aware of and use that,
>  > along with the Primer and Syntax document to teach RDFa to web
>  > developers. We should start building the infrastructure to support an
>  > RDFa community once we get through CR - we're not going to be able to do
>  > this by ourselves. We need a community.
>  >
>  > I'll volunteer to setup the mailing lists (mailman) and wiki (MediaWiki)
>  > if nobody else has time to do that. Ben had mentioned some time ago that
>  > it would be nice to keep this stuff at W3C - do we have the capability
>  > of running MediaWiki or Mailman on W3C servers?
>  >
>  > -- manu
>  >
>  --
>  Ivan Herman, W3C Semantic Web Activity Lead
>  Home: http://www.w3.org/People/Ivan/
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Simone Onofri
Received on Saturday, 8 March 2008 09:37:17 UTC

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