Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday 10/10)

Hi Simon,
The author of 503 explicitly mentions a relation "wasAdoptedBy" that is 
missing from the spec.
We argue that it is not missing.
I don't understand what you are suggesting.
Luc

On 10/11/2012 03:22 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
> Hi Luc,
> That's fine for ISSUE-522, but I still don't think ISSUE-521/503 
> answers the question raised.
> The PROV-DM says:
> "Agents may adopt plans, i.e. sets of actions or steps, to achieve 
> their goals in the context of an activity."
> The reviewer asked:
> "can activities adopt a plan when acting as an agent, or can only 
> entity agents adopt plans?"
> As far as I'm aware from the DM, the answer is "yes, agents that are 
> activities can adopt plans". I suggest we should say this explicitly 
> in the response. ISSUE-503 seems to answer an unrelated question, 
> about a proposed wasAdoptedBy relation.
> thanks,
> Simon
> Dr Simon Miles
> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
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> *From:* Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
> *Sent:* 11 October 2012 13:27
> *To:* public-prov-wg@w3.org
> *Subject:* Re: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: 
> Wednesday 10/10)
>
>
> On 10/09/2012 04:12 PM, Miles, Simon wrote:
>> Hello Luc,
>>
>> Responses to responses...
>>
>> ....
>>
>> ISSUE-521:
>> I was not clear how this or ISSUE-503 answer the question "can activities adopt a plan?" I assume the answer is "yes", in that any wasAssociatedWith relation can include a plan. Could we add an explicit answer to this question?
> Response to ISSUE-503 indicated:
> /Hence, there is no need for a separate wasAdoptedBy relation./
>
>> ISSUE-522:
>> Similarly to above, I could not see an answer to whether activities could delegate. I assume the answer is "yes", and that the confusion of the reviewer comes from the fact (previously discussed in telecon) that "delegation" is not a perfect word to express what we mean, as it has the connotation of authority, which entities can have but activities don't obviously have.
> I have updated the text in 521 as follows:
>
> /Given this, it is legal to write the following, in which a2 acted on 
> behalf of a1, where a2 and a1 are activities, but the type of a2 and 
> a1 can also be inferred to be agent./
>
>
>> ....
>
> Luc
>
>> thanks,
>> Simon
>>
>> Dr Simon Miles
>> Senior Lecturer, Department of Informatics
>> Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
>> +44 (0)20 7848 1166
>>
>> Transparent Provenance Derivation for User Decisions:
>> http://eprints.dcs.kcl.ac.uk/1400/
>> ________________________________________
>> From: Luc Moreau [l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk]
>> Sent: 08 October 2012 15:06
>> To:public-prov-wg@w3.org
>> Subject: proposed responses to public comments (deadline: Wednesday  10/10)
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> At
>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/wiki/ResponsesToPublicComments#PROV-DM_.28Under_Review.29,
>> please find our proposed responses to public comments:
>> - ISSUE-530
>> - ISSUE-520
>> - ISSUE-521
>> - ISSUE-522
>> - ISSUE-509
>> - ISSUE-526
>> - ISSUE-502
>>
>> They will become the group responses unless we hear objects by Wednesday
>> 10/10.
>>
>>
>> Best regards,
>> Luc
>>
>> PS. To help tracker, please include only the relevant issue number when
>> responding.
>>
>> --
>> Professor Luc Moreau
>> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
>> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
>> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
>> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>
> -- 
> Professor Luc Moreau
> Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
> University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
> Southampton SO17 1BJ               email:l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
> United Kingdomhttp://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
>

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Professor Luc Moreau
Electronics and Computer Science   tel:   +44 23 8059 4487
University of Southampton          fax:   +44 23 8059 2865
Southampton SO17 1BJ               email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk
United Kingdom                     http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm