- From: Luc Moreau <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2012 21:21:54 +0000
- To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Hi Simon, Thanks for the suggestion, which I have adopted. Luc On 22/11/12 20:51, Miles, Simon wrote: > "forms of influence"? > > I agree it is difficult to express informal inheritance without implying formal inheritance, which I guess is the issue here. But the current wording states equivalence, e.g. that usage *is* influence, which surely cannot be correct. > > How about just changing the plural to singular, as below? This is at least grammatical, and hopefully retains the intended meaning. > > "A usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, attribution, association, or delegation is also an influence." > "A specialization is not, as defined here, also an influence." > > Sorry I did not spot and raise this before. > > Sent from my iPad > > On 22 Nov 2012, at 20:22, "Luc Moreau" <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: > >> Hi Simon >> >> Again approved by group. >> >> We had to stay away from 'kind of' and 'subtype' because they imply (according to reviewer) inheritance and we don't have inheritance. >> >> I am happy with any phrasing that stays away from inheritance. The ones you suggested imply inheritance. >> >> Professor Luc Moreau >> Electronics and Computer Science >> University of Southampton >> Southampton SO17 1BJ >> United Kingdom >> >> On 22 Nov 2012, at 20:13, "Miles, Simon" <simon.miles@kcl.ac.uk> wrote: >> >>> Hello Luc, >>> >>> The statement you quote also does not make sense, and is not grammatical. Nothing can "be influence" except influence or a synonym of it. They could be "influences", but I don't think this is what is intended. Again, I assume what is meant is that they are "kinds of influence"? >>> >>> Thanks >>> Simon >>> >>> Sent from my iPad >>> >>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:39, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Simon, >>>> >>>> I want to be able to contrast the sentence we are discussing with: >>>> >>>> "Usage, start, end, generation, invalidation, communication, derivation, >>>> attribution, association, and delegation are also influence." >>>> >>>> Luc >>>> >>>> On 11/22/2012 05:32 PM, Miles, Simon wrote: >>>>> Hi Luc, >>>>> >>>>> OK. It is the phrasing that is odd. I have no problem with "defined as" in itself, but the phrase "defined as Influence", as this does not seem meaningful. >>>>> >>>>> Given what you say, would one of the following be OK? >>>>> >>>>> Specialization is not defined as a subtype of Influence >>>>> Specialization is not defined as a kind of Influence >>>>> >>>>> Thanks, >>>>> Simon >>>>> >>>>> On 22 Nov 2012, at 17:24, "Luc Moreau" <l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>> >>>>>> It's one of the changes approved as part of ISSUE-525. >>>>>> >>>>>> We, in prov-dm, do not define specialization as an influence. Others may >>>>>> do, and we don't disallow it. >>>>>> So I wouldn't want to say that specialization is not a sub-type of >>>>>> Influence, since this seems >>>>>> to prevent others from doing it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Luc >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On 11/22/2012 03:53 PM, Miles, Simon wrote: >>>>>>> Section 5.5.1: "Specialization is not defined as Influence" sounds odd, and I'm not sure what it means. Do you mean "Specialization is not a kind of Influence" or "Specialization is not a sub-type of Influence"? The same issue applies in Sections 5.5.2 and 5.6.2 for Alternate and MemberOf. >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Professor Luc Moreau >>>>>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >>>>>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >>>>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>>>> United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >>>> -- >>>> Professor Luc Moreau >>>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >>>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >>>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>> United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >>>> -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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