- From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
- Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 13:43:32 +0200
- To: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Cc: "public-prov-wg@w3.org" <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Yes. It remains as such. Thanks Paul On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 1:27 PM, Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: > hasPrimarySource or hadPrimarySource? > > Is the definition remaining unchanged beyond s/original/primary/ ? > > Luc > > On 06/06/2012 12:25 PM, Paul Groth wrote: >> I believe that the consensus is to rename it to PrimarySource. >> >> hasPrimarySource >> >> Is that correct, Jim, Tim. >> >> Thanks >> Paul >> >> On Wed, Jun 6, 2012 at 12:49 PM, Luc Moreau<L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote: >> >>> Hi Paul, Tim, Jim, all, >>> >>> What's the consensus on this? What definition and name do you want to >>> adopt for this >>> relation? >>> >>> Luc >>> >>> On 06/05/2012 08:35 PM, Paul Groth wrote: >>> >>>> Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. >>>> >>>> Paul >>>> >>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jim McCusker<mccusj@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> hadPrimarySource is much clearer. Anyone who has paid attention in history >>>>> class (at least in the US) should be familiar with the idea of primary >>>>> sources, so I think it's probably the most useful term. >>>>> >>>>> Jim >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Paul Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Hi TIm, >>>>>> >>>>>> I think i'm bending your way. If other's think primary source is more >>>>>> intelligible then I'm happy to change this. >>>>>> I think Luc also finally "got' this relation when I pointed him to the >>>>>> wiki page so maybe that says something as well. >>>>>> >>>>>> cheers >>>>>> Paul >>>>>> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> This is the same intent as the google definition of original source in >>>>>>>> my reading of their post. I would consider primary source but think >>>>>>>> original source has some history of usage on the web already. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Where on the web is "original source" used? >>>>>>> Blogging? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anywhere else? >>>>>>> I'm not a blogger, and I haven't seen "original source". >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yeah, orginalsource had the meaning >>>>>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Oh, did we shift from the meaning taken from that Google Blog about >>>>>>>>> journalism ? >>>>>>>>> (which, I can't find in any public draft, so I guess "yes"…) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I like the description at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >>>>>>>>> __much__ better, >>>>>>>>> I had no idea that that was the intent of hadOriginalSource. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Since wikipedia choose the name "primary", perhaps we should too. >>>>>>>>> I would be in favor of renaming: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> hadOriginalSource -> hadPrimarySource >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Now that I understand the concept, I'd rather this than the >>>>>>>>> "originatedFrom", which is drastically different. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> To me a "big change" now is changing stuff that has been in the spec >>>>>>>>>> in a number of drafts. I won't really argue hard but I want to be >>>>>>>>>> convinced that this is worth it. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's reasonable. But perhaps it indicates that the bigger problems >>>>>>>>> are out of the way now :-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -Tim >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think hadOriginalSource and originatedFrom convey the same >>>>>>>>>>>> meaning. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I think that they are pretty close in meaning, and one follows the >>>>>>>>>>> naming style more appropriately. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> I am also a bit concerned about doing these big renames of >>>>>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How do you measure "big"? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> -Tim >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue >>>>>>>>>>>> Tracker >>>>>>>>>>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-395: Rename hadOriginalSource to "originatedFrom"? >>>>>>>>>>>>> [prov-dm] >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/395 >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo >>>>>>>>>>>>> On product: prov-dm >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> DM editors, >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Could hadOriginalSource be renamed to "originatedFrom" ? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think it follows the "wasDerivedFrom" naming a little more >>>>>>>>>>>>> closely, and avoids an exception to PROV-O's "has" naming convention. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Then, perhaps the Involvement "Source" could be renamed "Origin"? >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> And qualifiedSource would become qualifiedOrigin. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I think that this naming is a little more natural. >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> (yes, this is phrased in terms of PROV-O, but an issue on DM; >>>>>>>>>>>>> probably best product would be mapping prov-dm<-> prov-o...) >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>>>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>>>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jim McCusker >>>>> Programmer Analyst >>>>> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics >>>>> Yale School of Medicine >>>>> james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 >>>>> http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu >>>>> >>>>> PhD Student >>>>> Tetherless World Constellation >>>>> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >>>>> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu >>>>> http://tw.rpi.edu >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> -- >>> Professor Luc Moreau >>> Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 >>> University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 >>> Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk >>> United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> > > -- > Professor Luc Moreau > Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 > University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 > Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk > United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm > -- -- Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ Assistant Professor Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group Artificial Intelligence Section Department of Computer Science VU University Amsterdam
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