- From: Luc Moreau <L.Moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk>
- Date: Wed, 06 Jun 2012 11:49:38 +0100
- To: public-prov-wg@w3.org
Hi Paul, Tim, Jim, all, What's the consensus on this? What definition and name do you want to adopt for this relation? Luc On 06/05/2012 08:35 PM, Paul Groth wrote: > Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. > > Paul > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jim McCusker<mccusj@rpi.edu> wrote: > >> hadPrimarySource is much clearer. Anyone who has paid attention in history >> class (at least in the US) should be familiar with the idea of primary >> sources, so I think it's probably the most useful term. >> >> Jim >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Paul Groth<p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote: >> >>> Hi TIm, >>> >>> I think i'm bending your way. If other's think primary source is more >>> intelligible then I'm happy to change this. >>> I think Luc also finally "got' this relation when I pointed him to the >>> wiki page so maybe that says something as well. >>> >>> cheers >>> Paul >>> >>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>> >>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>>> This is the same intent as the google definition of original source in >>>>> my reading of their post. I would consider primary source but think >>>>> original source has some history of usage on the web already. >>>>> >>>> Where on the web is "original source" used? >>>> Blogging? >>>> >>>> Anywhere else? >>>> I'm not a blogger, and I haven't seen "original source". >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> Tim >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> cheers >>>>> Paul >>>>> >>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Yeah, orginalsource had the meaning >>>>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >>>>>>> >>>>>> Oh, did we shift from the meaning taken from that Google Blog about >>>>>> journalism ? >>>>>> (which, I can't find in any public draft, so I guess "yes"…) >>>>>> >>>>>> I like the description at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >>>>>> __much__ better, >>>>>> I had no idea that that was the intent of hadOriginalSource. >>>>>> >>>>>> Since wikipedia choose the name "primary", perhaps we should too. >>>>>> I would be in favor of renaming: >>>>>> >>>>>> hadOriginalSource -> hadPrimarySource >>>>>> >>>>>> Now that I understand the concept, I'd rather this than the >>>>>> "originatedFrom", which is drastically different. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> To me a "big change" now is changing stuff that has been in the spec >>>>>>> in a number of drafts. I won't really argue hard but I want to be >>>>>>> convinced that this is worth it. >>>>>>> >>>>>> That's reasonable. But perhaps it indicates that the bigger problems >>>>>> are out of the way now :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> -Tim >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Timothy Lebo<lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Tim, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I don't think hadOriginalSource and originatedFrom convey the same >>>>>>>>> meaning. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I think that they are pretty close in meaning, and one follows the >>>>>>>> naming style more appropriately. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am also a bit concerned about doing these big renames of >>>>>>>>> things. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> How do you measure "big"? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Tim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> cheers >>>>>>>>> Paul >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue >>>>>>>>> Tracker >>>>>>>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-395: Rename hadOriginalSource to "originatedFrom"? >>>>>>>>>> [prov-dm] >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/395 >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo >>>>>>>>>> On product: prov-dm >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> DM editors, >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Could hadOriginalSource be renamed to "originatedFrom" ? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think it follows the "wasDerivedFrom" naming a little more >>>>>>>>>> closely, and avoids an exception to PROV-O's "has" naming convention. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Then, perhaps the Involvement "Source" could be renamed "Origin"? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> And qualifiedSource would become qualifiedOrigin. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I think that this naming is a little more natural. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> (yes, this is phrased in terms of PROV-O, but an issue on DM; >>>>>>>>>> probably best product would be mapping prov-dm<-> prov-o...) >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>>>>> Tim >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>>>> Assistant Professor >>>>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>>>> Department of Computer Science >>>>> VU University Amsterdam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >>> Assistant Professor >>> Knowledge Representation& Reasoning Group >>> Artificial Intelligence Section >>> Department of Computer Science >>> VU University Amsterdam >>> >>> >> >> >> -- >> Jim McCusker >> Programmer Analyst >> Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics >> Yale School of Medicine >> james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 >> http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu >> >> PhD Student >> Tetherless World Constellation >> Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute >> mccusj@cs.rpi.edu >> http://tw.rpi.edu >> > > > -- Professor Luc Moreau Electronics and Computer Science tel: +44 23 8059 4487 University of Southampton fax: +44 23 8059 2865 Southampton SO17 1BJ email: l.moreau@ecs.soton.ac.uk United Kingdom http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~lavm
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