- From: Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl>
- Date: Tue, 5 Jun 2012 21:35:49 +0200
- To: Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu>
- Cc: Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu>, Provenance Working Group <public-prov-wg@w3.org>
Yeah, this is what I was thinking as well. Paul On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 6:37 PM, Jim McCusker <mccusj@rpi.edu> wrote: > hadPrimarySource is much clearer. Anyone who has paid attention in history > class (at least in the US) should be familiar with the idea of primary > sources, so I think it's probably the most useful term. > > Jim > > > On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 11:10 AM, Paul Groth <p.t.groth@vu.nl> wrote: >> >> Hi TIm, >> >> I think i'm bending your way. If other's think primary source is more >> intelligible then I'm happy to change this. >> I think Luc also finally "got' this relation when I pointed him to the >> wiki page so maybe that says something as well. >> >> cheers >> Paul >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:13 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >> > >> > On Jun 5, 2012, at 9:06 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >> > >> >> This is the same intent as the google definition of original source in >> >> my reading of their post. I would consider primary source but think >> >> original source has some history of usage on the web already. >> > >> > Where on the web is "original source" used? >> > Blogging? >> > >> > Anywhere else? >> > I'm not a blogger, and I haven't seen "original source". >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Tim >> > >> > >> >> >> >> cheers >> >> Paul >> >> >> >> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 3:03 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >> >>> >> >>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 8:48 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> Yeah, orginalsource had the meaning >> >>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >> >>> >> >>> Oh, did we shift from the meaning taken from that Google Blog about >> >>> journalism ? >> >>> (which, I can't find in any public draft, so I guess "yes"…) >> >>> >> >>> I like the description at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primary_source >> >>> __much__ better, >> >>> I had no idea that that was the intent of hadOriginalSource. >> >>> >> >>> Since wikipedia choose the name "primary", perhaps we should too. >> >>> I would be in favor of renaming: >> >>> >> >>> hadOriginalSource -> hadPrimarySource >> >>> >> >>> Now that I understand the concept, I'd rather this than the >> >>> "originatedFrom", which is drastically different. >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> To me a "big change" now is changing stuff that has been in the spec >> >>>> in a number of drafts. I won't really argue hard but I want to be >> >>>> convinced that this is worth it. >> >>> >> >>> That's reasonable. But perhaps it indicates that the bigger problems >> >>> are out of the way now :-) >> >>> >> >>> -Tim >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>>> >> >>>> Paul >> >>>> >> >>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 2:41 PM, Timothy Lebo <lebot@rpi.edu> wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>> On Jun 5, 2012, at 2:54 AM, Paul Groth wrote: >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> Hi Tim, >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> I don't think hadOriginalSource and originatedFrom convey the same >> >>>>>> meaning. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> I think that they are pretty close in meaning, and one follows the >> >>>>> naming style more appropriately. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> I am also a bit concerned about doing these big renames of >> >>>>>> things. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>> How do you measure "big"? >> >>>>> >> >>>>> -Tim >> >>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> cheers >> >>>>>> Paul >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> On Tue, Jun 5, 2012 at 4:58 AM, Provenance Working Group Issue >> >>>>>> Tracker >> >>>>>> <sysbot+tracker@w3.org> wrote: >> >>>>>>> PROV-ISSUE-395: Rename hadOriginalSource to "originatedFrom"? >> >>>>>>> [prov-dm] >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/395 >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Raised by: Timothy Lebo >> >>>>>>> On product: prov-dm >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> DM editors, >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Could hadOriginalSource be renamed to "originatedFrom" ? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I think it follows the "wasDerivedFrom" naming a little more >> >>>>>>> closely, and avoids an exception to PROV-O's "has" naming convention. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Then, perhaps the Involvement "Source" could be renamed "Origin"? >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> And qualifiedSource would become qualifiedOrigin. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> I think that this naming is a little more natural. >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> (yes, this is phrased in terms of PROV-O, but an issue on DM; >> >>>>>>> probably best product would be mapping prov-dm <-> prov-o...) >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> Thanks, >> >>>>>>> Tim >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> -- >> >>>>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >> >>>>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >> >>>>>> Assistant Professor >> >>>>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group >> >>>>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >> >>>>>> Department of Computer Science >> >>>>>> VU University Amsterdam >> >>>>>> >> >>>>>> >> >>>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> -- >> >>>> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >> >>>> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >> >>>> Assistant Professor >> >>>> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group >> >>>> Artificial Intelligence Section >> >>>> Department of Computer Science >> >>>> VU University Amsterdam >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> >> -- >> >> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >> >> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >> >> Assistant Professor >> >> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group >> >> Artificial Intelligence Section >> >> Department of Computer Science >> >> VU University Amsterdam >> >> >> >> >> > >> >> >> >> -- >> -- >> Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) >> http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ >> Assistant Professor >> Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group >> Artificial Intelligence Section >> Department of Computer Science >> VU University Amsterdam >> > > > > -- > Jim McCusker > Programmer Analyst > Krauthammer Lab, Pathology Informatics > Yale School of Medicine > james.mccusker@yale.edu | (203) 785-6330 > http://krauthammerlab.med.yale.edu > > PhD Student > Tetherless World Constellation > Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute > mccusj@cs.rpi.edu > http://tw.rpi.edu -- -- Dr. Paul Groth (p.t.groth@vu.nl) http://www.few.vu.nl/~pgroth/ Assistant Professor Knowledge Representation & Reasoning Group Artificial Intelligence Section Department of Computer Science VU University Amsterdam
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