Re: PROV-ISSUE-65 (domain-specific-info): How is domain specific data combined with the generic model [Conceptual Model]

Hi Satya,

I agree that it sounds a sensible approach for the formal model.

The important point is that however we explain how to include
domain-specific information in the conceptual model should match the
way we allow it in the formal model.

I am not clear how rdfs:subClassOf and rdfs:subPropertyOf translate
into inclusion of domain information in the conceptual model / PIL,
and this is exactly the kind of thing I was pushing to be clarified.

Thanks,
Simon

On 4 August 2011 16:01, Satya Sahoo <satya.sahoo@case.edu> wrote:
> Hi,
> In ontology engineering we have the notions of a "upper-level ontology(s)"
> and "domain-specific ontology(s)". The upper-level ontology - the PIL
> provenance model in our case, is extended to model domain specific details -
> the royal society details described by Simon, using sub class
> (rdfs:subClassOf) and sub property links (rdfs:subPropertyOf).
> This allows different applications to "subscribe" to a common upper-level
> ontology and add their own domain-specific details as needed without
> affecting other applications.
> Thanks.
> Best,
> Satya
> p.s: We did in the context of the Provenir ontology earlier for biomedicine
> and taverna [1] - see Quick Links
> [1] http://wiki.knoesis.org/index.php/Provenir_Ontology
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 3:51 AM, Graham Klyne <GK@ninebynine.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'd like to add:
>>
>> I think it is important that when domain specific information is added, it
>> appears in such a way that applications that do not understand it can safely
>> ignore it and still be able to use the underlying generic provenance
>> information.
>>
>> This shouldn't be hard to achieve, but I think it's an important principle
>> to underpin extensibility.
>>
>> #g
>> --
>>
>> Provenance Working Group Issue Tracker wrote:
>>>
>>> PROV-ISSUE-65 (domain-specific-info): How is domain specific data
>>> combined with the generic model [Conceptual Model]
>>>
>>> http://www.w3.org/2011/prov/track/issues/65
>>>
>>> Raised by: Simon Miles
>>> On product: Conceptual Model
>>>
>>> Any provenance data will be a mixture of PIL constructs and
>>> domain-specific information, e.g. file names, the Royal Society's
>>> membership, the event of the RS's foundation, etc. By domain-specific, I
>>> just mean things not defined in the conceptual model. It is not clear in the
>>> current document where this domain-specific information goes.
>>>
>>> There are a couple of hints about where it might go:
>>>
>>> 1. In the example, the attribute values appear to be domain-specific,
>>> e.g. "Alice" is not a generic part of the model. The attribute names might
>>> be domain-specific, as I don't think "type", "location", "creator" or
>>> "content" are defined in the model, but that might be a mistake in the
>>> model. Can attribute types be domain-specific?
>>>
>>> 2. Section 5.12 says that "there are numerous ways in which location can
>>> be specified", suggesting that it is made a domain-specific issue. I'm not
>>> clear whether the list of examples, "coordinate, address..." are examples of
>>> attribute types or something else. It is said that "Location is an OPTIONAL
>>> characteristics of BOB". I'm not sure if "characteristic" is related to
>>> "attribute", and if this is implying a generic attribute type called
>>> "location".
>>>
>>> But are there additional ways to include domain-specific information
>>> other than attribute types and values? It may be trivial to address, but
>>> seems important to make explicit, else it is not clear how to apply the
>>> language in practice.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Simon
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
> ______________________________________________________________________
> This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.
> For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
> ______________________________________________________________________
>



-- 
Dr Simon Miles
Lecturer, Department of Informatics
Kings College London, WC2R 2LS, UK
+44 (0)20 7848 1166

Received on Thursday, 4 August 2011 15:17:12 UTC