- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Sat, 10 Mar 2018 21:07:13 +0100
- To: Julia Bosque Gil <jbosque@fi.upm.es>, Guadalupe Aguado de Cea <guadalupe.aguado@upm.es>
- Cc: Jorge Gracia <jogracia@unizar.es>, Christian Chiarcos <chiarcos@informatik.uni-frankfurt.de>, Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>, public-ontolex <public-ontolex@w3.org>
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Dear all, ok, thanks for all your comments. I propose three topics for the telco on Monday then: 1) Finalize discussion on the sense hierarchy modelling 2) Going through the list of open issues 3) Schedule for next steps I am fine with postponing potential changes to the core to a later point. I have created a new skype group to which I have added many of you. If you want to be added to the group, please let me know. I do not know how to "close" the list so that externals can not join. Any idea? Gentle Reminder: We will have our regular teleconference on Monday 12th of March, 13:00 CET. Kind regards, Philipp. Am 07.03.18 um 14:26 schrieb Julia Bosque Gil: > > Hi, Philipp, all: > > Following Jorge’s email, here are my suggestions for outputs in the > near time and possible next steps towards them. > > Outputs: > > * > > The new module > > * > > Guidelines to model lexicographic information with OntoLex. These > could include modelling practices /with and without/ the new > module and could serve as reference (together with the > specification) for someone who wants to convert their dictionary > to LLD and does not know where to start. The contents could range > from the representation of dictionary senses and their definitions > to translations, synonyms, collocations, attestations, complex > forms, examples, sense order and hierarchy, etymology, semantic > and morphosyntactic restrictions, etc. I understand that not > everyone will agree on what we propose there for these elements, > but still, I believe it really could help many people working in > lexicography and trying to adopt LD for their data even if they > end up taking another approach with their own model. > > I think some of the next steps could be the following: > > 1. > > Finish the discussion on the sense hierarchy issue. Even though > the modelling discussed during our last telco was mainly agreed > upon provided some amendments are made, I recall there was some > disagreement at the end on whether to adopt a tree pattern > (http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/wiki/Submissions:Tree_Pattern) > here (@Katrien, Fahad: please jump in if I understood this wrong > ;-) ). At the end of this email I provide a short summary of the > proposed modelling, and we could take up the discussion from > there, if you agree. > > 2. > > Go over the list of issues. I still have to add the attestation > issue to the list, which we agreed to leave to the background > until the sense-hierarchy one was solved. There are some examples > of attestations in Fahad’s /telos/ and in the same document there > is also a diagram about the topic provided by Katrien and Jesse: > https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TogPjrLyJS0OK5pzww28751MX7179-NzCIsDdzae65o/edit# > > 3. > > As you mentioned, start writing the draft of the module and the > guidelines document > > Regarding (2), some of the issues took us back to the core, like the > /blau/ example from Katrien and other examples such as > /counterclockwise/ or /anticlockwise/ (one dictionary sense, adv. and > adj.). I definitely see the problem Katrien was referring to and this > also brings us back to Issue 3 on the wiki page (one dictionary entry > with different parts of speech). Even though revisiting the core might > be needed at some point and those changes would affect the issues > listed on the lexicography wiki page, maybe changing core elements > while working on the lexicography module would pose the risk of > working on two different lines at a time and gradually moving away > from the near-future goals. My suggestion would be to keep track of > these problems as we keep working with more lexical resources. If we > detect more issues in the core or people report them in the literature > (also with other kind of resources that are not dictionaries), they > might motivate a core revisiting effort in the future. If it is just > one or two issues that for now affect the representation of > dictionaries, maybe we can find a suitable way around them with the > new module, without touching the core. What do you/all think? > > With respect to (1), the *sub-sense hierarchy*, here is the summary of > the modelling discussed during our last telco: > > A |DictionaryEntry| contains a set of ordered components that link to > lexical senses. These can be viewed as “the direct children of the > dictionary entry”. > > |:telos_n_dict a lexgr:DictionaryEntry ; rdf:_1 > :lsjsense_n32381_0_comp; rdf:_2 :lsjsense_n32381_5_comp . | > > If a dictionary sense has direct (ordered) sub-senses (here, two), > these can be represented with the |subComponent| property. Each > component would then be linked to the sense it describes. > > |:lsjsense_n32381_0_comp a lexgr:DictionaryEntryComponent ; > lexgr:describes :lsjsense_n32381_0; lexgr:subComponent > :lsjsense_n32381_1_comp, :lsjsense_n32381_2_comp; rdf:_1 > :lsjsense_n32381_1_comp; rdf:_2 :lsjsense_n32381_2_comp . | > > The |subComponent| property would be transitive. John also suggested > to have two properties, a transitive and a non-transitive (the > transitive as a sub-property of the non-transitive), following the > solution of SKOS. > > In the case of Greek /telos/, we had translations and definitions in > English for each sense (e.g. /telos/ - “a finish”, “the fulfilment or > completion of anything”). As we discussed, here we would need either > to have a new translation property to include these strings or to > instantiate senses in order to use |lexinfo:translation|. > > Best wishes, and looking forward to comments! > > Julia > > > 2018-03-07 9:48 GMT+01:00 Guadalupe Aguado de Cea > <guadalupe.aguado@upm.es <mailto:guadalupe.aguado@upm.es>>: > > Dera Philipp, all > > I fully agree with Jorge's suggestions. > And certainly, with John as co-chair with you, Philipp. > > Best regards > Lupe > > > > I El 06/03/2018 a las 20:37, Jorge Gracia escribió: >> Dear Philipp, all, >> >> A few comments: >> >> > First, I would like to ask all of you to provide some topics >> that you would like to be discussed in the next telcos. >> >> Julia and myself have been talking about possible next steps and >> she is sending an email apart about this. >> >> > Second, I think that our next goal will be to produce a draft >> for the lexicographic module. It would be great >> > if we could have something until summer, so we should thinking >> about starting to draft a spec of the module >> > and talk about responsibilities. >> >> Talking about responsibilities, I propose Julia to be the main >> editor of the ontolex-lexicography module. I volunteer as well as >> co-editor, but this is open of course to anyone else who thinks >> that can contribute to this task substantially in the next few >> months. >> >> > Last but not least: Paul Buitelaar has expressed his diesire to >> resign as a chair of the ontolex group. I would >> > like to propose that we appoint John McCrae as a co-chair >> together with me. After all, he has been devoting >> > a lot of time to ontolex and lead many discussions and telcos >> lately. >> >> Absolutely! It makes a lot of sense having John as a chair >> "officially" ;-) >> >> Best regards, >> >> Jorge >> >> >> 2018-03-04 15:09 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano >> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >> >> Dear Christian, all, >> >> given the spam in the ontolex skype group, I will create a >> new group in the next days. >> >> By the way, I propose we move the telco scheduled for Monday >> 5th (tomororw) to the 12th in order to have a bit of time to >> discuss per email what are the next steps and the outputs the >> group wants to produce in the near time. >> >> First, I would like to ask all of you to provide some topics >> that you would like to be discussed in the next telcos. >> >> During last telco you discussed the telos-example that Fahad >> provided. I suppose there was largely consensus on the >> modelling proposed by Fahad? If not, I would be happy if >> someone could summarize the main points of disagreemen >> briefly in an email to the group. >> >> Second, I think that our next goal will be to produce a draft >> for the lexicographic module. It would be great if we could >> have something until summer, so we should thinking about >> starting to draft a spec of the module and talk about >> responsibilities. >> >> Let me also mention that during our last telcos there was >> some concern with the definition of lexical entry as assuming >> one part of speech only. Katrien mentioned this being an >> issue, she mentioned the example of "blue". Possibly Katrien >> could provide the details on this list. >> >> Last but not least: Paul Buitelaar has expressed his diesire >> to resign as a chair of the ontolex group. I would like to >> propose that we appoint John McCrae as a co-chair together >> with me. After all, he has been devoting a lot of time to >> ontolex and lead many discussions and telcos lately. >> >> If others want to propose additional chairs, please do so. >> There is no restriction on there being three chairs only. I >> assume that UPM will be strongly involved in specifying the >> lexicographic module, so I would kindly invite UPM to propose >> someone. >> >> The next telco will be on the 12th of March, 13:00 CET. I >> will send the agenda once I have received suggestions for topics. >> >> Kind regards, >> >> Philipp. >> >> >> Am 03.03.18 um 13:33 schrieb Christian Chiarcos: >>> Dear all, >>> >>> as we get increasingly spammed on Skype, I would leave the >>> group call there. Can I suggest to create a new group and >>> ask you to invite me there, again? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Christian >>> >>> Am .02.2018, 07:26 Uhr, schrieb Philipp Cimiano >>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>: >>> >>> Dear Julia, all, >>> >>> thanks for sharing the draft of the telos example for >>> today's telco. >>> >>> I am currently attending a conference and I will not be >>> able to attend the telco today. >>> >>> John: could you chair the telco for me today? >>> >>> Kind regards, >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> >>> Am 19.02.18 um 00:01 schrieb Julia Bosque Gil: >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> Here is a first draft of the/telos/ example, remodeled >>>> with DictionaryEntryComponent(s). Since attestations >>>> (vs. usage examples) are also an issue, we could try to >>>> address both the sense hierarchy and attestations >>>> during the same telco (if time allows): >>>> >>>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TogPjrLyJS0OK5pzww28751MX7179-NzCIsDdzae65o/edit#bookmark=id.ibectx5jjsod >>>> <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TogPjrLyJS0OK5pzww28751MX7179-NzCIsDdzae65o/edit#bookmark=id.ibectx5jjsod> >>>> >>>> Talk to you soon, >>>> >>>> Best, >>>> >>>> Julia >>>> >>>> 2018-02-05 16:49 GMT+01:00 Fahad Khan >>>> <anasfkhan81@gmail.com <mailto:anasfkhan81@gmail.com>>: >>>> >>>> Dear Philipp, >>>> I will try to have it ready for the 19th but I will >>>> be travelling most of this week and most of next >>>> week so it will be difficult. @Julia very >>>> helpfully offered to assist me and hopefully with >>>> her help I should manage (I still have to get touch >>>> with her after the call). >>>> Cheers, >>>> Fahad >>>> >>>> On 5 February 2018 at 16:37, Philipp Cimiano >>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote: >>>> >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> I have to apologize. I intended to attend the >>>> call today, but there were technical problems >>>> at our institute today around mid day so that I >>>> could not connect via skype. >>>> >>>> I am very sorry for this, but I am even more >>>> happy that Julia chaired the telco for me ;-) >>>> Thanks Julia! >>>> >>>> We agreed to meet in two weeks from today to >>>> discuss the reworked telos-example by Fahad. >>>> >>>> @Fahad: can you confirm that you will be able >>>> to remodel the example along the lines we >>>> discussed for the telco in two weeks? >>>> >>>> Other than that, I will bring up some of the >>>> issues discussed during the last telcos up to >>>> this mailing list and send a summary so that >>>> more people can contribute. >>>> >>>> Stay tuned. >>>> >>>> Kind regards, >>>> >>>> Philipp >>>> >>>> >>>> Am 05.02.18 um 15:04 schrieb Julia Bosque Gil: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> Here are the minutes of today's call: >>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.02,_13-14_pm_CET >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.02,_13-14_pm_CET> >>>>> You can also find a summary at the end of our >>>>> Skype chat. If you haven't joined yet, here is >>>>> the link for future reference: >>>>> https://join.skype.com/ncintRpMcpEy >>>>> <https://join.skype.com/ncintRpMcpEy> >>>>> >>>>> We discussed issues 4 (usage examples) and 5 >>>>> (geographical information). Issues 1 and 3, >>>>> which are controversial, were not addressed >>>>> today. >>>>> >>>>> Best wishes, >>>>> >>>>> Julia >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> >>>>> Virus-free. www.avast.com >>>>> <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> 2018-02-05 7:23 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano >>>>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >>>>> >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> this is a gentle reminder that we agreed >>>>> to have our ontolex >>>>> teleconference today (Monday 5th of >>>>> February) at 13:00 CET. >>>>> >>>>> The idea was to quickly go over the list >>>>> of open issues (finally). >>>>> >>>>> I added short minutes of the last two >>>>> meetings to the ontolex wiki: >>>>> >>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Main_Page#Meetings_of_the_Community_Group >>>>> <https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Main_Page#Meetings_of_the_Community_Group> >>>>> >>>>> Talk to you later at 13:00 CET over skype. >>>>> >>>>> Philipp >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> -- >>>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction >>>>> Technology (CITEC) >>>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>>> >>>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 >>>>> <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 >>>>> <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>>>> >>>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>>> Germany >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> >>>>> Julia Bosque Gil >>>>> PhD Student >>>>> Ontology Engineering Group >>>>> <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> >>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial >>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>> >>>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 <tel:+49%20521%2010612249> >>>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 <tel:+49%20521%201066560> >>>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>>> >>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>> Germany >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Julia Bosque Gil PhD Student Ontology Engineering >>>> Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/> >>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial >>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> AG Semantic Computing >>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> >>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249 <tel:+49%20521%2010612249> >>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560 <tel:+49%20521%201066560> >>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> 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