Re: Remidner: Ontolex Teleconference today(5th of February), 13:00 - 14:00 CET

Hi, Philipp, all:

Following Jorge’s email, here are my suggestions for outputs in the near
time and possible next steps towards them.

Outputs:

   -

   The new module
   -

   Guidelines to model lexicographic information with OntoLex. These could
   include modelling practices *with and without* the new module and could
   serve as reference (together with the specification) for someone who wants
   to convert their dictionary to LLD and does not know where to start. The
   contents could range from the representation of dictionary senses and their
   definitions to translations, synonyms, collocations, attestations, complex
   forms, examples, sense order and hierarchy, etymology, semantic and
   morphosyntactic restrictions, etc. I understand that not everyone will
   agree on what we propose there for these elements, but still, I believe it
   really could help many people working in lexicography and trying to adopt
   LD for their data even if they end up taking another approach with their
   own model.

I think some of the next steps could be the following:

   1.

   Finish the discussion on the sense hierarchy issue. Even though the
   modelling discussed during our last telco was mainly agreed upon provided
   some amendments are made, I recall there was some disagreement at the end
   on whether to adopt a tree pattern (
   http://ontologydesignpatterns.org/wiki/Submissions:Tree_Pattern) here
   (@Katrien, Fahad: please jump in if I understood this wrong ;-) ). At the
   end of this email I provide a short summary of the proposed modelling, and
   we could take up the discussion from there, if you agree.
   2.

   Go over the list of issues. I still have to add the attestation issue to
   the list, which we agreed to leave to the background until the
   sense-hierarchy one was solved. There are some examples of attestations in
   Fahad’s *telos* and in the same document there is also a diagram about
   the topic provided by Katrien and Jesse:
   https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TogPjrLyJS0OK5pzww28751MX7179-NzCIsDdzae65o/edit#
   3.

   As you mentioned, start writing the draft of the module and the
   guidelines document

Regarding (2), some of the issues took us back to the core, like the *blau*
example from Katrien and other examples such as *counterclockwise* or
*anticlockwise* (one dictionary sense, adv. and adj.). I definitely see the
problem Katrien was referring to and this also brings us back to Issue 3 on
the wiki page (one dictionary entry with different parts of speech). Even
though revisiting the core might be needed at some point and those changes
would affect the issues listed on the lexicography wiki page, maybe
changing core elements while working on the lexicography module would pose
the risk of working on two different lines at a time and gradually moving
away from the near-future goals. My suggestion would be to keep track of
these problems as we keep working with more lexical resources. If we detect
more issues in the core or people report them in the literature (also with
other kind of resources that are not dictionaries), they might motivate a
core revisiting effort in the future. If it is just one or two issues that
for now affect the representation of dictionaries, maybe we can find a
suitable way around them with the new module, without touching the core.
What do you/all think?

With respect to (1), the *sub-sense hierarchy*, here is the summary of the
modelling discussed during our last telco:

A DictionaryEntry contains a set of ordered components that link to lexical
senses. These can be viewed as “the direct children of the dictionary
entry”.


:telos_n_dict a  lexgr:DictionaryEntry ;
   rdf:_1  :lsjsense_n32381_0_comp;
   rdf:_2  :lsjsense_n32381_5_comp .

If a dictionary sense has direct (ordered) sub-senses (here, two), these
can be represented with the subComponent property. Each component would
then be linked to the sense it describes.


:lsjsense_n32381_0_comp a lexgr:DictionaryEntryComponent ;
   lexgr:describes :lsjsense_n32381_0;
   lexgr:subComponent  :lsjsense_n32381_1_comp, :lsjsense_n32381_2_comp;
   rdf:_1 :lsjsense_n32381_1_comp;
   rdf:_2 :lsjsense_n32381_2_comp .

The subComponent property would be transitive. John also suggested to have
two properties, a transitive and a non-transitive (the transitive as a
sub-property of the non-transitive), following the solution of SKOS.

In the case of Greek *telos*, we had translations and definitions in
English for each sense (e.g. *telos* - “a finish”, “the fulfilment or
completion of anything”). As we discussed, here we would need either to
have a new translation property to include these strings or to instantiate
senses in order to use lexinfo:translation.

Best wishes, and looking forward to comments!

Julia


2018-03-07 9:48 GMT+01:00 Guadalupe Aguado de Cea <guadalupe.aguado@upm.es>:

Dera Philipp, all
>
> I fully agree with Jorge's suggestions.
> And certainly, with John as co-chair with you, Philipp.
>
> Best regards
> Lupe
>
>
>
>  I El 06/03/2018 a las 20:37, Jorge Gracia escribió:
>
> Dear Philipp, all,
>
> A few comments:
>
> > First, I would like to ask all of you to provide some topics that you
> would like to be discussed in the next telcos.
>
> Julia and myself have been talking about possible next steps and she is
> sending an email apart about this.
>
> > Second, I think that our next goal will be to produce a draft for the
> lexicographic module. It would be great
> > if we could have something until summer, so we should thinking about
> starting to draft a spec of the module
> > and talk about responsibilities.
>
> Talking about responsibilities, I propose Julia to be the main editor of
> the ontolex-lexicography module. I volunteer as well as co-editor, but this
> is open of course to anyone else who thinks that can contribute  to this
> task substantially in the next few months.
>
> > Last but not least: Paul Buitelaar has expressed his diesire to resign
> as a chair of the ontolex group. I would
> > like to propose that we appoint John McCrae as a co-chair together with
> me. After all, he has been devoting
> > a lot of time to ontolex and lead many discussions and telcos lately.
>
> Absolutely! It makes a lot of sense having John as a chair "officially"
> ;-)
>
> Best regards,
>
> Jorge
>
>
> 2018-03-04 15:09 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.
> de>:
>
>> Dear Christian, all,
>>
>>    given the spam in the ontolex skype group, I will create a new group
>> in the next days.
>>
>> By the way, I propose we move the telco scheduled for Monday 5th
>> (tomororw) to the 12th in order to have a bit of time to discuss per email
>> what are the next steps and the outputs the group wants to produce in the
>> near time.
>>
>> First, I would like to ask all of you to provide some topics that you
>> would like to be discussed in the next telcos.
>>
>> During last telco you discussed the telos-example that Fahad provided. I
>> suppose there was largely consensus on the modelling proposed by Fahad? If
>> not, I would be happy if someone could summarize the main points of
>> disagreemen briefly in an email to the group.
>>
>> Second, I think that our next goal will be to produce a draft for the
>> lexicographic module. It would be great if we could have something until
>> summer, so we should thinking about starting to draft a spec of the module
>> and talk about responsibilities.
>>
>> Let me also mention that during our last telcos there was some concern
>> with the definition of lexical entry as assuming one part of speech only.
>> Katrien mentioned this being an issue, she mentioned the example of "blue".
>> Possibly Katrien could provide the details on this list.
>>
>> Last but not least: Paul Buitelaar has expressed his diesire to resign as
>> a chair of the ontolex group. I would like to propose that we appoint John
>> McCrae as a co-chair together with me. After all, he has been devoting a
>> lot of time to ontolex and lead many discussions and telcos lately.
>>
>> If others want to propose additional chairs, please do so. There is no
>> restriction on there being three chairs only. I assume that UPM will be
>> strongly involved in specifying the lexicographic module, so I would kindly
>> invite UPM to propose someone.
>>
>> The next telco will be on the 12th of March, 13:00 CET. I will send the
>> agenda once I have received suggestions for topics.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> Am 03.03.18 um 13:33 schrieb Christian Chiarcos:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> as we get increasingly spammed on Skype, I would leave the group call
>> there. Can I suggest to create a new group and ask you to invite me there,
>> again?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Christian
>>
>> Am .02.2018, 07:26 Uhr, schrieb Philipp Cimiano
>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>:
>>
>> Dear Julia, all,
>>
>>  thanks for sharing the draft of the telos example for today's telco.
>>
>> I am currently attending a conference and I will not be able to attend
>> the telco today.
>>
>> John: could you chair the telco for me today?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> Am 19.02.18 um 00:01 schrieb Julia Bosque Gil:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Here is a first draft of the* telos* example, remodeled with
>> DictionaryEntryComponent(s). Since attestations (vs. usage examples) are
>> also an issue, we could try to address both the sense hierarchy and
>> attestations during the same telco (if time allows):
>>
>> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1TogPjrLyJS0OK5pzww28751M
>> X7179-NzCIsDdzae65o/edit#bookmark=id.ibectx5jjsod
>>
>> Talk to you soon,
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> Julia
>>
>> 2018-02-05 16:49 GMT+01:00 Fahad Khan <anasfkhan81@gmail.com>:
>>
>>> Dear Philipp,
>>> I will try to have it ready for the 19th but I will be travelling most
>>> of this week and most of next week so it will be difficult.  @Julia very
>>> helpfully offered to assist me and hopefully with her help I should manage
>>> (I still have to get touch with her after the call).
>>> Cheers,
>>> Fahad
>>>
>>> On 5 February 2018 at 16:37, Philipp Cimiano <
>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> I have to apologize. I intended to attend the call today, but there
>>>> were technical problems at our institute today around mid day so that I
>>>> could not connect via skype.
>>>>
>>>> I am very sorry for this, but I am even more happy that Julia chaired
>>>> the telco for me ;-) Thanks Julia!
>>>>
>>>> We agreed to meet in two weeks from today to discuss the reworked
>>>> telos-example by Fahad.
>>>>
>>>> @Fahad: can you confirm that you will be able to remodel the example
>>>> along the lines we discussed for the telco in two weeks?
>>>>
>>>> Other than that, I will bring up some of the issues discussed during
>>>> the last telcos up to this mailing list and send a summary so that more
>>>> people can contribute.
>>>>
>>>> Stay tuned.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Philipp
>>>>
>>>> Am 05.02.18 um 15:04 schrieb Julia Bosque Gil:
>>>>
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>
>>>> Here are the minutes of today's call: https://www.w3.org/community/o
>>>> ntolex/wiki/Teleconference,_2018.05.02,_13-14_pm_CET
>>>> You can also find a summary at the end of our Skype chat. If you
>>>> haven't joined yet, here is the link for future reference:
>>>> https://join.skype.com/ncintRpMcpEy
>>>>
>>>> We discussed issues 4 (usage examples) and 5 (geographical
>>>> information). Issues 1 and 3, which are controversial, were not addressed
>>>> today.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes,
>>>>
>>>> Julia
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>> 2018-02-05 7:23 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano <
>>>> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>:
>>>>
>>>>> Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>   this is a gentle reminder that we agreed to have our ontolex
>>>>> teleconference today (Monday 5th of February) at 13:00 CET.
>>>>>
>>>>> The idea was to quickly go over the list of open issues (finally).
>>>>>
>>>>> I added short minutes of the last two meetings to the ontolex wiki:
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Main_Page#Meetings
>>>>> _of_the_Community_Group
>>>>>
>>>>> Talk to you later at 13:00 CET over skype.
>>>>>
>>>>> Philipp
>>>>>
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>>>>
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>>>> PhD Student
>>>> Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
>>>> Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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>> Universität Bielefeld
>>
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> Jorge Gracia, PhD
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> University of Zaragoza
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> Guadalupe Aguado de Cea
> Departamento de Lingüística Aplicada
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> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
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Julia Bosque Gil
PhD Student
Ontology Engineering Group <http://www.oeg-upm.net/>
Departamento de Inteligencia Artificial
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid