- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:59:18 +0100
- To: Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es>
- CC: "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <546F4536.8060802@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Jorge, all, I do not have any major issues for the telco today, so I propose we cancel it and continue by email. On your translation provenance example: 1) I would propose to remove the translation set in the example as it is confusing I think. The example is IMHO supposed to illustrate the usage of PROV-O to provide meta-information about a translation. 2) Actually, it is still true that the property "translationConfidence" is proprietary. I think we should include it into the vartrans module indeed. 3) Why do you use prov:qualified Generation instead of simply prov:GeneratedBy ??? Regards, Philipp. Am 14.11.14 16:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia: > Hi Philipp, all, > > > OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example? > > I added an example near the bottom of the "translation section" at > https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Translation > that we have not discussed yet. > > Regards, > Jorge > > 2014-11-14 15:55 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano > <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: > > OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example? > > Best regards, > > Philipp. > > Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >> Hi Philipp, >> >> I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I >> volunteer to document it in the wiki and github if nobody else >> did it yet, although not in the next few days I am afraid (I am >> overwhelmed with other tasks!) >> >> For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I >> am still not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment >> >> Regards, >> Jorge >> >> 2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano >> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >> >> Dear all, >> >> there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this >> week. Further, I have no agenda points for today. I propose >> that we cancel today's telco. >> >> I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope >> that we can have a final specification until end of the year. >> >> Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email? >> >> Have a good weekend, >> >> Philipp. >> >> Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano: >>> Jorge, ontolex members, >>> >>> last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see >>> minutes here: >>> >>> As important milestones, we decided the following: >>> >>> 1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email below. >>> With this we more or less conclude the work on the vartrans >>> module, for which we decided to keep the name (vartrans). We >>> still need to finish the discussion on representing >>> provenance of translations however (Jorge: are you going to >>> be available for the telco next week) >>> >>> 2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module >>> provided by Armando and Manuel and agreed on them >>> essentially. We only discussed few things: whether a proxy >>> resource for a dataset is needed (it is needed to add >>> metadata essentially) and whether we need both a >>> ontolex:Lexicon (as lexicon object) and a lime:Lexicon (as >>> dataset). >>> >>> 3) We decided to have both integer and percentage properties >>> for the coverage in the lime module. >>> >>> I think these are important milestones that conclude some of >>> the open discussion we have been having in the last months. >>> >>> Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of the >>> model. >>> >>> Best regards, >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >>>> Dear all, >>>> >>>> After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena, >>>> Lupe, and myself) the following to accommodate the new >>>> notion of a generic lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex: >>>> >>>> 1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation" to the CORE >>>> module (the name can be another one of course) for reifying >>>> relations whenever it is necessary, and having the "source" >>>> and "target" properties that we have discussed in the >>>> previous telcos. It is specialised in "Lexical Relation" >>>> whenever the relation is at the level of forms or lexical >>>> entries, and "Sense Relation" whenever the relation is >>>> between senses. The motivation of placing these in the core >>>> is to support ANY module that wants to reuse the same >>>> reification mechanisms. >>>> >>>> Imágenes integradas 1 >>>> >>>> 2) Based on those classes, any type of specific relation >>>> could be supported. Now it is our choice whether to include >>>> them as a lemon module or as something external to the >>>> model. For instance, new relations could be defined: >>>> "Morphological derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the >>>> lexical level or "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance. >>>> >>>> >>>> Imágenes integradas 2 >>>> >>>> 3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as a >>>> specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly >>>> speaking, we understand "Variant" as a relation between two >>>> entities (lexical entries, forms, senses, ...) that are >>>> interchangeable under certain conditions, still keeping >>>> similar meanings (e.g., "finger" -> "hand" are not >>>> variants, but "color" -> "colour" or "bank"@en -> >>>> "banco"@es are variants). There are several subclasses of >>>> Variant: "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are variants >>>> that are lexical relations as well, and "Terminological >>>> Variant" and "Translation" are variants that are also sense >>>> relations. See the figure for some examples... >>>> >>>> Imágenes integradas 3 >>>> >>>> 3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is >>>> covered already by the above referred subclasses "Lexical >>>> Variant", "Translation", "Terminological Variant", ... So >>>> another scheme without the "Variant" type is also possible, >>>> although loosing the notion of a relation between entities >>>> that are exchangeable under certain circumstances (which is >>>> given by "Variant"). >>>> >>>> Imágenes integradas 4 >>>> >>>> >>>> I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not >>>> available today for discussing it, but any feedback or >>>> comment by email will be appreciated, and we can continue >>>> the discussion in the following telco. >>>> >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Jorge, Elena, Lupe >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>>> Ontology Engineering Group >>>> Artificial Intelligence Department >>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> AG Semantic Computing >>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> >>> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>> Germany >> >> -- >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jorge Gracia, PhD >> Ontology Engineering Group >> Artificial Intelligence Department >> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> > Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> > Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany > > > > > -- > Jorge Gracia, PhD > Ontology Engineering Group > Artificial Intelligence Department > Universidad Politécnica de Madrid > http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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