Re: No ontolex telco today

Hi Philipp, all,

> OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example?

I added an example near the bottom of the "translation section" at
https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Translation
that we have not discussed yet.

Regards,
Jorge

2014-11-14 15:55 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
:

>  OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example?
>
> Best regards,
>
> Philipp.
>
> Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>
> Hi Philipp,
>
>  I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I volunteer to
> document it in the wiki and github if nobody else did it yet, although not
> in the next few days I am afraid (I am overwhelmed with other tasks!)
>
>  For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I am still
> not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment
>
>  Regards,
> Jorge
>
> 2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano <
> cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>:
>
>>  Dear all,
>>
>>  there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this week. Further,
>> I have no agenda points for today. I propose that we cancel today's telco.
>>
>> I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope that we can
>> have a final specification until end of the year.
>>
>> Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email?
>>
>> Have a good weekend,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano:
>>
>> Jorge, ontolex members,
>>
>>  last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see minutes here:
>>
>> As important milestones, we decided the following:
>>
>> 1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email below. With this we
>> more or less conclude the work on the vartrans module, for which we decided
>> to keep the name (vartrans). We still need to finish the discussion on
>> representing provenance of translations however (Jorge: are you going to be
>> available for the telco next week)
>>
>> 2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module provided by
>> Armando and Manuel and agreed on them essentially. We only discussed few
>> things: whether a proxy resource for a dataset is needed (it is needed to
>> add metadata essentially) and whether we need both a ontolex:Lexicon (as
>> lexicon object) and a lime:Lexicon (as dataset).
>>
>> 3) We decided to have both integer and percentage properties for the
>> coverage in the lime module.
>>
>> I think these are important milestones that conclude some of the open
>> discussion we have been having in the last months.
>>
>> Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of the model.
>>
>> Best regards,
>>
>> Philipp.
>>
>> Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>>  After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena, Lupe, and
>> myself) the following to accommodate the new notion of a generic
>> lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex:
>>
>>  1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation"  to the CORE module (the
>> name can be another one of course) for reifying relations whenever it is
>> necessary, and having the "source" and "target" properties that we have
>> discussed in the previous telcos. It is specialised in "Lexical Relation"
>> whenever the relation is at the level of forms or lexical entries, and
>> "Sense Relation" whenever the relation is between senses. The motivation of
>> placing these in the core is to support ANY module that wants to reuse the
>> same reification mechanisms.
>>
>>  [image: Imágenes integradas 1]
>>
>>  2)  Based on those classes, any type of specific relation could be
>> supported. Now it is our choice whether to include them as a lemon module
>> or as something external to the model. For instance, new relations could be
>> defined: "Morphological derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the lexical
>> level or "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance.
>>
>>
>>  [image: Imágenes integradas 2]
>>
>>  3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as a
>> specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly speaking, we
>> understand "Variant" as a relation between two entities (lexical entries,
>> forms, senses, ...) that are interchangeable under certain conditions,
>> still keeping similar meanings (e.g., "finger" -> "hand" are not variants,
>> but "color" -> "colour" or "bank"@en -> "banco"@es are variants). There are
>> several subclasses of Variant:  "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are
>> variants that are lexical relations as well, and "Terminological Variant"
>> and "Translation" are variants that are also sense relations. See the
>> figure for some examples...
>>
>>  [image: Imágenes integradas 3]
>>
>>  3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is covered already
>> by the above referred subclasses "Lexical Variant", "Translation",
>> "Terminological Variant", ... So another scheme without the "Variant" type
>> is also possible, although loosing the notion of a relation between
>> entities that are exchangeable under certain circumstances (which is given
>> by "Variant").
>>
>>    [image: Imágenes integradas 4]
>>
>>
>>  I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not available
>> today for discussing it, but any feedback or comment by email will be
>> appreciated, and we can continue the discussion in the following telco.
>>
>>
>>  Best regards,
>>
>>  Jorge, Elena, Lupe
>>
>>
>>  --
>>  Jorge Gracia, PhD
>> Ontology Engineering Group
>> Artificial Intelligence Department
>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>> AG Semantic Computing
>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>> Universität Bielefeld
>>
>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>
>> Office CITEC-2.307
>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>> Germany
>>
>>
>> --
>> --
>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>> AG Semantic Computing
>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>> Universität Bielefeld
>>
>> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
>> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
>> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>
>> Office CITEC-2.307
>> Universitätsstr. 21-25
>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>> Germany
>>
>>
>
>
>  --
>  Jorge Gracia, PhD
> Ontology Engineering Group
> Artificial Intelligence Department
> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>
>
> --
> --
> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
> AG Semantic Computing
> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
> Universität Bielefeld
>
> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
> Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>
> Office CITEC-2.307
> Universitätsstr. 21-25
> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
> Germany
>
>


-- 
Jorge Gracia, PhD
Ontology Engineering Group
Artificial Intelligence Department
Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
http://jogracia.url.ph/web/