- From: Philipp Cimiano <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
- Date: Fri, 05 Dec 2014 15:28:50 +0100
- To: Jorge Gracia <jgracia@fi.upm.es>
- CC: "public-ontolex@w3.org" <public-ontolex@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <5481C122.1010603@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
Hi Jorge, all, I do not have received any response on the issue below... Any comments? Regards, Philipp. Am 21.11.14 14:59, schrieb Philipp Cimiano: > Jorge, all, > > I do not have any major issues for the telco today, so I propose we > cancel it and continue by email. > > On your translation provenance example: > > 1) I would propose to remove the translation set in the example as it > is confusing I think. The example is IMHO supposed to illustrate the > usage of PROV-O to provide meta-information about a translation. > > 2) Actually, it is still true that the property > "translationConfidence" is proprietary. I think we should include it > into the vartrans module indeed. > > 3) Why do you use prov:qualified Generation instead of simply > prov:GeneratedBy ??? > > Regards, > > Philipp. > > > Am 14.11.14 16:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >> Hi Philipp, all, >> >> > OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example? >> >> I added an example near the bottom of the "translation section" at >> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Translation >> that we have not discussed yet. >> >> Regards, >> Jorge >> >> 2014-11-14 15:55 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano >> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >> >> OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example? >> >> Best regards, >> >> Philipp. >> >> Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >>> Hi Philipp, >>> >>> I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I >>> volunteer to document it in the wiki and github if nobody else >>> did it yet, although not in the next few days I am afraid (I am >>> overwhelmed with other tasks!) >>> >>> For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I >>> am still not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment >>> >>> Regards, >>> Jorge >>> >>> 2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano >>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de >>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>: >>> >>> Dear all, >>> >>> there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this >>> week. Further, I have no agenda points for today. I propose >>> that we cancel today's telco. >>> >>> I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope >>> that we can have a final specification until end of the year. >>> >>> Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email? >>> >>> Have a good weekend, >>> >>> Philipp. >>> >>> Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano: >>>> Jorge, ontolex members, >>>> >>>> last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see >>>> minutes here: >>>> >>>> As important milestones, we decided the following: >>>> >>>> 1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email >>>> below. With this we more or less conclude the work on the >>>> vartrans module, for which we decided to keep the name >>>> (vartrans). We still need to finish the discussion on >>>> representing provenance of translations however (Jorge: are >>>> you going to be available for the telco next week) >>>> >>>> 2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module >>>> provided by Armando and Manuel and agreed on them >>>> essentially. We only discussed few things: whether a proxy >>>> resource for a dataset is needed (it is needed to add >>>> metadata essentially) and whether we need both a >>>> ontolex:Lexicon (as lexicon object) and a lime:Lexicon (as >>>> dataset). >>>> >>>> 3) We decided to have both integer and percentage >>>> properties for the coverage in the lime module. >>>> >>>> I think these are important milestones that conclude some >>>> of the open discussion we have been having in the last months. >>>> >>>> Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of >>>> the model. >>>> >>>> Best regards, >>>> >>>> Philipp. >>>> >>>> Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia: >>>>> Dear all, >>>>> >>>>> After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena, >>>>> Lupe, and myself) the following to accommodate the new >>>>> notion of a generic lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex: >>>>> >>>>> 1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation" to the >>>>> CORE module (the name can be another one of course) for >>>>> reifying relations whenever it is necessary, and having >>>>> the "source" and "target" properties that we have >>>>> discussed in the previous telcos. It is specialised in >>>>> "Lexical Relation" whenever the relation is at the level >>>>> of forms or lexical entries, and "Sense Relation" whenever >>>>> the relation is between senses. The motivation of placing >>>>> these in the core is to support ANY module that wants to >>>>> reuse the same reification mechanisms. >>>>> >>>>> Imágenes integradas 1 >>>>> >>>>> 2) Based on those classes, any type of specific relation >>>>> could be supported. Now it is our choice whether to >>>>> include them as a lemon module or as something external to >>>>> the model. For instance, new relations could be defined: >>>>> "Morphological derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the >>>>> lexical level or "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Imágenes integradas 2 >>>>> >>>>> 3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as >>>>> a specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly >>>>> speaking, we understand "Variant" as a relation between >>>>> two entities (lexical entries, forms, senses, ...) that >>>>> are interchangeable under certain conditions, still >>>>> keeping similar meanings (e.g., "finger" -> "hand" are not >>>>> variants, but "color" -> "colour" or "bank"@en -> >>>>> "banco"@es are variants). There are several subclasses of >>>>> Variant: "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are >>>>> variants that are lexical relations as well, and >>>>> "Terminological Variant" and "Translation" are variants >>>>> that are also sense relations. See the figure for some >>>>> examples... >>>>> >>>>> Imágenes integradas 3 >>>>> >>>>> 3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is >>>>> covered already by the above referred subclasses "Lexical >>>>> Variant", "Translation", "Terminological Variant", ... So >>>>> another scheme without the "Variant" type is also >>>>> possible, although loosing the notion of a relation >>>>> between entities that are exchangeable under certain >>>>> circumstances (which is given by "Variant"). >>>>> >>>>> Imágenes integradas 4 >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not >>>>> available today for discussing it, but any feedback or >>>>> comment by email will be appreciated, and we can continue >>>>> the discussion in the following telco. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Best regards, >>>>> >>>>> Jorge, Elena, Lupe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>>>> Ontology Engineering Group >>>>> Artificial Intelligence Department >>>>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>>>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -- >>>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>>> AG Semantic Computing >>>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>>> Universität Bielefeld >>>> >>>> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>>> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>>> >>>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>>> Germany >>> >>> -- >>> -- >>> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >>> AG Semantic Computing >>> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >>> Universität Bielefeld >>> >>> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >>> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >>> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >>> >>> Office CITEC-2.307 >>> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >>> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >>> Germany >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Jorge Gracia, PhD >>> Ontology Engineering Group >>> Artificial Intelligence Department >>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ >> >> -- >> -- >> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano >> AG Semantic Computing >> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) >> Universität Bielefeld >> >> Tel:+49 521 106 12249 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249> >> Fax:+49 521 106 6560 <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560> >> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de> >> >> Office CITEC-2.307 >> Universitätsstr. 21-25 >> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW >> Germany >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Jorge Gracia, PhD >> Ontology Engineering Group >> Artificial Intelligence Department >> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid >> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/ > > -- > -- > Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano > AG Semantic Computing > Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) > Universität Bielefeld > > Tel: +49 521 106 12249 > Fax: +49 521 106 6560 > Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de > > Office CITEC-2.307 > Universitätsstr. 21-25 > 33615 Bielefeld, NRW > Germany -- -- Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano AG Semantic Computing Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC) Universität Bielefeld Tel: +49 521 106 12249 Fax: +49 521 106 6560 Mail: cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de Office CITEC-2.307 Universitätsstr. 21-25 33615 Bielefeld, NRW Germany
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