Re: No ontolex telco today

Hi Jorge, all,

  I do not have received any response on the issue below...

Any comments?

Regards,

Philipp.

Am 21.11.14 14:59, schrieb Philipp Cimiano:
> Jorge, all,
>
>   I do not have any major issues for the telco today, so I propose we 
> cancel it and continue by email.
>
> On your translation provenance example:
>
> 1) I would propose to remove the translation set in the example as it 
> is confusing I think. The example is IMHO supposed to illustrate the 
> usage of PROV-O to provide meta-information about a translation.
>
> 2) Actually, it is still true that the property 
> "translationConfidence" is proprietary. I think we should include it 
> into the vartrans module indeed.
>
> 3) Why do you use prov:qualified Generation instead of simply 
> prov:GeneratedBy ???
>
> Regards,
>
> Philipp.
>
>
> Am 14.11.14 16:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>> Hi Philipp, all,
>>
>> > OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example?
>>
>> I added an example near the bottom of the "translation section" at 
>> https://www.w3.org/community/ontolex/wiki/Final_Model_Specification#Translation
>> that we have not discussed yet.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jorge
>>
>> 2014-11-14 15:55 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano 
>> <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de 
>> <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>:
>>
>>     OK, so what is the state of play of the provenance example?
>>
>>     Best regards,
>>
>>     Philipp.
>>
>>     Am 14.11.14 11:50, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>     Hi Philipp,
>>>
>>>     I'm happy to see that there was an agreement on vartrans. I
>>>     volunteer to document it in the wiki and github if nobody else
>>>     did it yet, although not in the next few days I am afraid (I am
>>>     overwhelmed with other tasks!)
>>>
>>>     For me it is fine to discuss the provenance example by email. I
>>>     am still not fully happy with so I would appreciate any comment
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Jorge
>>>
>>>     2014-11-14 11:33 GMT+01:00 Philipp Cimiano
>>>     <cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>>>     <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>>:
>>>
>>>         Dear all,
>>>
>>>          there has not been much activity on the mailinglist this
>>>         week. Further, I have no agenda points for today. I propose
>>>         that we cancel today's telco.
>>>
>>>         I will work on the specification in the next weeks and hope
>>>         that we can have a final specification until end of the year.
>>>
>>>         Jorge: can we discuss your provenance example via email?
>>>
>>>         Have a good weekend,
>>>
>>>         Philipp.
>>>
>>>         Am 09.11.14 21:17, schrieb Philipp Cimiano:
>>>>         Jorge, ontolex members,
>>>>
>>>>          last Friday we had an very intense telecoference, see
>>>>         minutes here:
>>>>
>>>>         As important milestones, we decided the following:
>>>>
>>>>         1) accept proposal 3B of Jorge mentioned in the email
>>>>         below. With this we more or less conclude the work on the
>>>>         vartrans module, for which we decided to keep the name
>>>>         (vartrans). We still need to finish the discussion on
>>>>         representing provenance of translations however (Jorge: are
>>>>         you going to be available for the telco next week)
>>>>
>>>>         2) We discussed again the examples for the metadata module
>>>>         provided by Armando and Manuel and agreed on them
>>>>         essentially. We only discussed few things: whether a proxy
>>>>         resource for a dataset is needed (it is needed to add
>>>>         metadata essentially) and whether we need both a
>>>>         ontolex:Lexicon (as lexicon object) and a lime:Lexicon (as
>>>>         dataset).
>>>>
>>>>         3) We decided to have both integer and percentage
>>>>         properties for the coverage in the lime module.
>>>>
>>>>         I think these are important milestones that conclude some
>>>>         of the open discussion we have been having in the last months.
>>>>
>>>>         Talk to you all on the 14th to finalize other aspects of
>>>>         the model.
>>>>
>>>>         Best regards,
>>>>
>>>>         Philipp.
>>>>
>>>>         Am 07.11.14 14:19, schrieb Jorge Gracia:
>>>>>         Dear all,
>>>>>
>>>>>         After some internal discussions we are proposing (Elena,
>>>>>         Lupe, and myself) the following to accommodate the new
>>>>>         notion of a generic lexico-semantic relation in Lemon-Ontolex:
>>>>>
>>>>>         1) To add a generic "Lexico-semantic Relation"  to the
>>>>>         CORE module (the name can be another one of course) for
>>>>>         reifying relations whenever it is necessary, and having
>>>>>         the "source" and "target" properties that we have
>>>>>         discussed in the previous telcos. It is specialised in
>>>>>         "Lexical Relation" whenever the relation is at the level
>>>>>         of forms or lexical entries, and "Sense Relation" whenever
>>>>>         the relation is between senses. The motivation of placing
>>>>>         these in the core is to support ANY module that wants to
>>>>>         reuse the same reification mechanisms.
>>>>>
>>>>>         Imágenes integradas 1
>>>>>
>>>>>         2)  Based on those classes, any type of specific relation
>>>>>         could be supported. Now it is our choice whether to
>>>>>         include them as a lemon module or as something external to
>>>>>         the model. For instance, new relations could be defined:
>>>>>         "Morphological derivation" (e.g., happy -> unhappy) at the
>>>>>         lexical level or "Antonymy" at the sense level, for instance.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Imágenes integradas 2
>>>>>
>>>>>         3-A) Vartrans module: the Variant relation is proposed as
>>>>>         a specialisation of "Lexico-semantic Relation". Roughly
>>>>>         speaking, we understand "Variant" as a relation between
>>>>>         two entities (lexical entries, forms, senses, ...) that
>>>>>         are interchangeable under certain conditions, still
>>>>>         keeping similar meanings (e.g., "finger" -> "hand" are not
>>>>>         variants, but "color" -> "colour" or "bank"@en ->
>>>>>         "banco"@es are variants). There are several subclasses of
>>>>>         Variant:  "Lexical Variant" and "Translatable" are
>>>>>         variants that are lexical relations as well, and
>>>>>         "Terminological Variant" and "Translation" are variants
>>>>>         that are also sense relations. See the figure for some
>>>>>         examples...
>>>>>
>>>>>         Imágenes integradas 3
>>>>>
>>>>>         3-B) However one could say that any possible variant is
>>>>>         covered already by the above referred subclasses "Lexical
>>>>>         Variant", "Translation", "Terminological Variant", ... So
>>>>>         another scheme without the "Variant" type is also
>>>>>         possible, although loosing the notion of a relation
>>>>>         between entities that are exchangeable under certain
>>>>>         circumstances (which is given by "Variant").
>>>>>
>>>>>         Imágenes integradas 4
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         I hope you find this reflections useful. Sorry we are not
>>>>>         available today for discussing it, but any feedback or
>>>>>         comment by email will be appreciated, and we can continue
>>>>>         the discussion in the following telco.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         Best regards,
>>>>>
>>>>>         Jorge, Elena, Lupe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>         -- 
>>>>>         Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>>>         Ontology Engineering Group
>>>>>         Artificial Intelligence Department
>>>>>         Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>>>         http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>>>
>>>>         -- 
>>>>         --
>>>>         Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>>         AG Semantic Computing
>>>>         Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>>         Universität Bielefeld
>>>>
>>>>         Tel:+49 521 106 12249  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249>
>>>>         Fax:+49 521 106 6560  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560>
>>>>         Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de  <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>>>>
>>>>         Office CITEC-2.307
>>>>         Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>>>         33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>>>         Germany
>>>
>>>         -- 
>>>         --
>>>         Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>>         AG Semantic Computing
>>>         Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>>         Universität Bielefeld
>>>
>>>         Tel:+49 521 106 12249  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249>
>>>         Fax:+49 521 106 6560  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560>
>>>         Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de  <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>>>
>>>         Office CITEC-2.307
>>>         Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>>         33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>>         Germany
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     -- 
>>>     Jorge Gracia, PhD
>>>     Ontology Engineering Group
>>>     Artificial Intelligence Department
>>>     Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>>>     http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>>
>>     -- 
>>     --
>>     Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
>>     AG Semantic Computing
>>     Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
>>     Universität Bielefeld
>>
>>     Tel:+49 521 106 12249  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%2012249>
>>     Fax:+49 521 106 6560  <tel:%2B49%20521%20106%206560>
>>     Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de  <mailto:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>
>>
>>     Office CITEC-2.307
>>     Universitätsstr. 21-25
>>     33615 Bielefeld, NRW
>>     Germany
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -- 
>> Jorge Gracia, PhD
>> Ontology Engineering Group
>> Artificial Intelligence Department
>> Universidad Politécnica de Madrid
>> http://jogracia.url.ph/web/
>
> -- 
> --
> Prof. Dr. Philipp Cimiano
> AG Semantic Computing
> Exzellenzcluster für Cognitive Interaction Technology (CITEC)
> Universität Bielefeld
>
> Tel: +49 521 106 12249
> Fax: +49 521 106 6560
> Mail:cimiano@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de
>
> Office CITEC-2.307
> Universitätsstr. 21-25
> 33615 Bielefeld, NRW
> Germany

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Universität Bielefeld

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