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Re: semiotics.owl

From: Elena Montiel Ponsoda <elemontiel@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 17 Apr 2013 12:06:32 +0200
Message-ID: <516E7428.2030303@gmail.com>
To: public-ontolex@w3.org
Hi Aldo, John, all,

After reading Aldo's previous e-mail on "Re: Senses, synsets and 
ontology mapping in WordNet", I am not so sure I agree with the example 
provided by John in the wiki page, that is why I would like to ask you 
for clarification.

Example: The term 'G8' expresses the OWL Class G8Countries and denotes 
the set {Canada,France,Germany,Italy,Japan,Russia,US,UK}, which is 
conceptualized by G8Countries

I quote from Aldo's previous e-mail:
  Re (3):

This is not the case when we want to link lexical or KOS meanings to typical ontologies, e.g. to myont:Vomit class. If Vomit is an OWL (or RDFS) class, its interpretation is*extensional*  (a collection of things, vomiting events in the common interpretation), therefore it's fully justified to use ontolex:reference for representing this linking.
	wordnet:wordsense-vomit-verb-1 wordnet:inSynset wordnet:synset-vomit-verb-1
	wordnet:wordsense-vomit-verb-1 ontolex:reference myont:Vomit
	wordnet:synset-vomit-verb-1 ontolex:reference myont:Vomit

Aldo, if I understood this correctly, the *reference *relation would be 
established between the WordNet synset or *meaning *and an OWL class 
"myont:Vomit" in an ontology.
Therefore,  the expression to vomit expresses the meaning (sense or 
synset) corresponding to that verb
                     the meaning (sense or synset) conceptualizes an OWL 
(or RDFS) class

If we extrapolate this to the G8 example, we would say that the 
expression G8 expresses the meaning of "a group of eight of the richest 
industrial countries in the world...", which, in its turn, 
conceptualizes the OWL Class G8Countries, that contains and denotes the 
set of countries {Canada,France,Germany,Italy,Japan,Russia,US,UK}, as 

I would rather agree with this view, since I my interpretation of the 
semiotic triangle, the "Referent" corresponds to a conceptualization or 
ontology of a certain world.
In fact, I think that if we assume this view, the 
LexicalEntry-Sense-OntologyClass path has more sense. Could you agree 
with this view?


El 16/04/2013 20:27, Aldo Gangemi escribió:
> Hi, John has made a nice summary of semiotics.owl, and some useful 
> questions. John, thanks for the analysis :)
> Answers below.
> On Apr 16, 2013, at 6:45:53 PM , John McCrae 
> <jmccrae@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de 
> <mailto:jmccrae@cit-ec.uni-bielefeld.de>> wrote:
>> Hi Aldo,
>> I was trying to synthesize the semiotics.owl ontology you sent 
>> around. I made some notes here
>> http://greententacle.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/~jmccrae/semiotics.owl.html 
>> <http://greententacle.techfak.uni-bielefeld.de/%7Ejmccrae/semiotics.owl.html>
>> I had some things I didn't fully understand
>> Naming of 'reference', looking at the comments it seems to be what is 
>> (from my experience) called a 'referent' in the semiotics literature. 
>> In fact, more confusingly some authors seem to use reference for 
>> meaning. I think this has confused a lot of the OntoLex discussion as 
>> in /lemon/ we use reference as the term for the meaning in the 
>> ontology. (Honestly this is a total accident, it was originally 
>> chosen to harmonize with LMF's 'monolingual external reference', used 
>> to cite external resources for senses).
> I opted for "reference" because "referent" typically bears a realistic 
> flavor in philosphical debates. Besides that, no problem in using 
> "referent", as in the Ogden-Richards version of the triangle.
>> What is a manifestation, it has no annotations?
> Right, I should add it. A Manifestation is the material occurrence of 
> an Expression, e.g. Dante's Comedy (Expression) can be manifested in 
> an eBook or a paper book. The same term with similar meaning is used 
> in FRBR vocabulary.
>> The model has linguistic (speech?) acts, I was wondering if there 
>> were any practical examples of how to model a speech act
> I'll add it, and yes, it's an event (type). Example: "Talleyrand said 
> "Si cela va sans dire, cela ira encore mieux en le disant" during the 
> Vienna Congress in 1814."
> That is the report of a linguistic act (a declarative speech act that 
> reports another, subtler speech act), which can be modeled as follows 
> (in Turtle, and using a default namespace ":" for a domain ontology, 
> full example at 
> http://www.ontologydesignpatterns.org/ont/example/talleyrandquotation.ttl):
> :lingAct_1 a :Quote .
> :Quote rdfs:subClassOf semiotics:LinguisticAct .
> :lingAct_1 situation:isSettingFor _:agent .
> _:agent a agentrole:Agent .
> _:agent :authorOf 
> "http://dinoutoo.pagesperso-orange.fr/histo/tal1.htm"^^xsd:anyURI .
> :lingAct_1 situation:isSettingFor :lingAct_2 .
> :lingAct_2 a :Say .
> :Say rdfs:subClassOf semiotics:LinguisticAct .
> :lingAct_2 situation:isSettingFor :Talleyrand .
> :Talleyrand a agentrole:Agent .
> :lingAct_2 situation:isSettingFor _:time .
> _:time :inDate "06-10-1814"^^xsd:date .
> :lingAct_2 situation:isSettingFor _:sentence .
> _:sentence a semiotics:Expression .
> _:sentence ontolex:lexicalForm "Si cela va sans dire, cela ira encore 
> mieux en le disant"^^xsd:string .
> :lingAct_2 situation:isSettingFor _:meaning .
> _:meaning a semiotics:Meaning .
> :lingAct_2 situation:isSettingFor _:reference .
> _:reference a semiotics:Reference .
> _:reference :partOf :CongressOfVienna .
> if we know more about that quotation, we might add something more 
> about _:meaning:
> _:meaning semiotics:relatedMeaning :Clarity .
> :Clarity a semiotics:Meaning .
> _:meaning :modality :needed .
> :needed a :Modality .
> _:meaning :inContext :InternationalTreaty .
> :InternationalTreaty a dbpedia:Event .
>> Some unreferenced elements: agent, hasComponent... what is their 
>> purpose exactly?
> Those are actually references, but in other - imported - patterns 
> (agent role, situation, cpannotationschema)
>> Regards,
>> John
> Aldo

Elena Montiel-Ponsoda
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