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RE: [all] XML from drupal

From: Yves Savourel <ysavourel@enlaso.com>
Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2012 16:30:48 -0600
To: "'Shaun McCance'" <shaunm@gnome.org>, "'Felix Sasaki'" <fsasaki@w3.org>
CC: "'Mauricio del Olmo'" <mauricio.delolmo@linguaserve.com>, "'Karl Fritsche'" <karl.fritsche@cocomore.com>, <public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org>
Message-ID: <assp.06453e51b9.assp.06453f8194.00e501cdb300$61b53590$251fa0b0$@com>
It think it should work also without changes for the Okapi implementation.

For backward compatibility it needs to work with the starting context for the evaluation being the selected node. If absolute expressions work the same there (and I don't see why they should not) then it should be fine.

But just one extra note of caution: Was there any good reason why it was decided to use relative path in 1.0?
I can't recall much about that.

-yves


-----Original Message-----
From: Shaun McCance [mailto:shaunm@gnome.org] 
Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 3:37 PM
To: Felix Sasaki
Cc: Mauricio del Olmo; Karl Fritsche; Yves Savourel; public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
Subject: Re: [all] XML from drupal

Fine by me, unless any other implementers have difficulties.
It actually already works in itstool. I never wrote a check to forbid it, and libxml2 does what you'd expect it to do.

On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 23:22 +0200, Felix Sasaki wrote:
> Exactly. So changing in 5.3.2.2Relative selector
>
>
> "The relative selector MUST use a RelativeLocationPath as described in 
> XPath 1.0."
>
>
> to
>
>
> "The relative selector MUST use a RelativeLocationPath or an 
> AbsoluteLocationPath as described in XPath 1.0."
>
>
> and add some explanatory text will make things for "path" authors much 
> easier, and it will change nothing for implementors - they'll use an 
> XPath library anyway.
>
>
> Felix
>
>
> 2012/10/25 Shaun McCance <shaunm@gnome.org>
>         You can always mimic an absolute path with a relative path:
>
>         ancestor::h:html/h:head/h:meta[@name='keywords]'/@content
>
>         Or more generically:
>
>         ancestor::*[last()]/whatever...
>
>         On Thu, 2012-10-25 at 20:24 +0200, Felix Sasaki wrote:
>         > The should just simply say that the pointer attributes may
>         also
>         > contain an absolute location path. The difference is very
>         simple:
>         >
>         >
>         > "An absolute location path consists of / optionally followed
>         by a
>         > relative location path."
>         >
>         >
>         > Felix
>         >
>         > 2012/10/25 Mauricio del Olmo
>         <mauricio.delolmo@linguaserve.com>
>         >         Hi Karl, Yves.
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         Maybe with parent XPath rules?
>         >
>         >         The body is selected by the selector and then it is
>         needed to
>         >         go back one level and then go to the head/meta:
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         <its:domainRule selector="/h:html/h:body"
>         >
>         domainPointer="../h:head/h:meta[@name='keywords']/@content"/>
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         I’m not sure if this is correct:
>         >
>         >         ../h:head/h:meta[@name='keywords']/@content
>         >
>         >         or this:
>         >
>         >         h:body/../h:head/h:meta[@name='keywords']/@content
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         Cheers.
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>         >         De: Karl Fritsche
>         [mailto:karl.fritsche@cocomore.com]
>         >         Enviado el: jueves, 25 de octubre de 2012 20:01
>         >         Para: Yves Savourel
>         >         CC: 'Mauricio del Olmo';
>         public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>         >         Asunto: Re: [all] XML from drupal
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         Hi Yves,
>         >
>         >         you are absolutely right to be consistent. If it
>         would be
>         >         changed to absolute, it should be renamed.
>         >         But back to the original question: How would this
>         example then
>         >         look like in html5? As far as I know <meta> is not
>         allowed in
>         >         the <body>, but the selector should point to the
>         <body> or any
>         >         element in it. From there its hard to get back
>         >         to /html/head/meta with a relative selector.
>         >
>         >         Cheers,
>         >         Karl
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >         On 25.10.2012 14:59, Yves Savourel wrote:
>         >                 Hi Karl,
>         >
>         >                 You are right: the examples in the draft are
>         wrong as per the current definition in the draft.
>         >                 The definition is: "A required domainPointer
>         attribute that contains a relative selector pointing to a node
>         that contains the domain information."
>         >
>         >                 Good catch.
>         >
>         >                 As for whether or not it should be relative
>         or absolute, I think it should be consistent with the other
>         pointer-like attributes unless there is a compelling reason to
>         be different.
>         >
>         >                 -yves
>         >
>         >
>         >
>         >                 From: Karl Fritsche
>         [mailto:karl.fritsche@cocomore.com]
>         >                 Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2012 6:47 AM
>         >                 To: Yves Savourel
>         >                 Cc: Mauricio del Olmo;
>         public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>         >                 Subject: Re: [all] XML from drupal
>         >
>         >                 Hi Yves,
>         >
>         >                 I'm confused right now. On Tuesday Felix and
>         you fixed the domain example. But If I look at the current
>         examples the domainPointer is still absolute from the root
>         element and not relative from the selector. If the
>         domainPointer is relative, then we couldn't use the meta tag
>         in the head, because the selector points to the body.
>         >
>         >                 selector: selects the nodes to which this
>         rule applies.
>         >                 domainPointer: pointing to a node that
>         contains the domain information
>         >
>         >                 Shouldn't be both absolute? In XML it is not
>         a problem to add the domain to the selected node, but for HTML
>         it would not so easy, especially when we suggest to use the
>         meta-tag in the head, which is definitely outside the scope of
>         the selector.
>         >
>         >                 If I'm wrong at least domainPointer is
>         missing in "5.3.2.2Relative selector". ;)
>         >
>         >                 Cheers,
>         >                 Karl
>         >
>         >                 On 25.10.2012 13:46, Mauricio del Olmo
>         wrote:
>         >                 Hi Yves.
>         >                 Thanks for pointing at it.
>         >                 I’ve informed of this to Karl (Cocomore)
>         also.
>         >                 I’ll change the example in the use case.
>         >                 Cheers.
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>         >                 -----Mensaje original-----
>         >                 De: Yves Savourel
>         [mailto:ysavourel@enlaso.com]
>         >                 Enviado el: miércoles, 24 de octubre de 2012
>         23:45
>         >                 Para: public-multilingualweb-lt@w3.org
>         >                 Asunto: RE: [all] XML from drupal
>         >                 Hi Maurico, all,
>         >                 One more note on the example here:
>         >
>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/wiki/LSP_Localization_Chain_Side_Use_Case_Demonstration#Step_3:_Postproduction_process
>         >                 The domainPointer attribute in this rule:
>         >                 <its:domainRule
>         domainPointer="//job[@id=11]/@domain"
>         selector="//job[@id='11']"/>
>         >                 Is not valid: Pointers are relative
>         selectors (See
>         http://www.w3.org/International/multilingualweb/lt/drafts/its20/its20.html#selectors) based on the nodes corresponding to the selector attribute. So should be something like:
>         >
>         >                 <its:domainRule domainPointer="@domain"
>         selector="//job[@id='11']"/>
>         >                 Hopefully we can have things like that
>         checked with the ITS schema at some point (maybe it does
>         already).
>         >                 Cheers,
>         >                 -yves
>         >
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