Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

Thanks for your support Yves.

I actually met with McAfee yesterday where I talked through our poster
[ and unofficially practiced my presentation ;-) ] and whilst I cannot say
they will be an implementer in the short term we did discuss real workflow
scenarios where my requested attribute value would be used.

I have met all of the formal requirements, it's certainly less work than
some of the other refactoring and no-one has raised any objections so can
we please just accept it at this stage?

Phil



On 20 Feb 2013, at 23:25, "Yves Savourel" <ysavourel@enlaso.com> wrote:

> Hi David, Phil, all,
>
> To be honest I'm not sure why adding this item in the list of values for
issue type would be a big problem.
> We are making much more demanding changes to the specifications in other
places.
>
> Phil noted 2 possible users for the values, an when you look at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-tool-specific-mappings.html
(which lists the origin of the current type values), you can see several
values that have only one declared 'user'.
>
> I think that value could be useful (as long as its difference with the
Localization Quality Rating is well explained).
>
> cheers,
> -yves
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:55 AM
> To: Phil Ritchie
> Cc: Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> Subject: Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
"conformance" Issue Type)
>
> Phil, trying to see if this has moved. There has been no traffic on this
one as of Feb 5 and the meeting of Feb 6 seems only to have restated that
the category would be produced and consumed between Digital Linguistics and
Vistatec.
>
> While I am aware that this would formally provide two implementers, my
impression is that this new value has not had sufficient traction.
> Any thoughts, comments?
> Thanks
> dF
>
> Dr. David Filip
> =======================
> LRC | CNGL | LT-Web | CSIS
> University of Limerick, Ireland
> telephone: +353-6120-2781
> cellphone: +353-86-0222-158
> facsimile: +353-6120-2734
> mailto: david.filip@ul.ie
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> wrote:
> > Dave
> >
> > Digital Linguistics will implement as "producer" and VistaTEC will
> > implement as "consumer".
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:        Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
> > To:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org,
> > Date:        03/02/2013 19:59
> > Subject:        Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> > "conformance"   Issue  Type)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Hi Phil,
> > We need to reach a resolution on ISSUE-63, on the inclusion of the
> > suggested conformance type to the values for lqi type.
> >
> > As discussed on the 7th Jan call
> > (http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04), to advance
> > this we need to find another supporter who'd be willing to implement
> > this. Did you find anyone else interested in adding this type?
> >
> > I suggest we review the status of this on this wed (6th Feb) call, but
> > if we can find no one else who is interested then we reject this
comment.
> >
> > cheers,
> > Dave
> >
> >
> > On 14/12/2012 16:49, Phil Ritchie wrote:
> > All
> >
> > Per sample output:
> >
> > !DOCTYPE html
> > <html>
> >        <head>
> >        </head>
> >        <body>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="2.45">En outre, vous pouvez sélectionner
> > l'option capture d'écran, ce qui permet de prendre une capture d'écran
> > n'importe où dans Windows et l'insérer dans votre document.</span>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="1.46">Partage de documents a également été
> > améliorée, avec plusieurs personnes de travailler sur un document en
> > même temps en ligne, même si je n'étais pas en mesure de tester cette
> > fonctionnalité.</span>
> >                <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> > its-loc-quality-severity="4.3">À l'instar des autres applications
> > Office 2010, Excel dispose de nouveaux outils pour le partage des
> > données avec d'autres personnes, y compris plusieurs personnes
> > travaillant sur un document à la fois.</span>
> >        <body>
> > </html>
> >
> > Existing tools that would utilise the the error types are Review
> > Sentinel published by Digital Linguistics
(http://www.digitallinguistics.com).
> > Implementation could be done by late February 2013. Also, the VistaTEC
> > Reviewer's Workbench as part of our deliverables. Some implementation
> > dependency upon mapping in Xliff.
> >
> > Phil.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
> > To:        Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>,
> > Cc:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> > Date:        14/12/2012 09:46
> > Subject:        issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> > "conformance"  Issue Type)
> > ________________________________
> >
> >
> >
> > Thanks, Phil. This is now issue-63. When we discuss this we need to
> > take the "stability aspect"
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> > /2012Dec/0020.html
> > and the "existing tools" aspect
> > http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> > /2012Dec/0004.html
> > See in the latter mail the part
> > "the other types where based on what existing tools or  standards
> > initiatives produce. "
> >
> > Can you provide some input on that part?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Felix
> >
> > Am 14.12.12 08:27, schrieb Phil Ritchie:
> > I would like to propose the addition of "conformance" to Appendix C
> > (Values for the Localization Quality Issue Type).
> >
> > The values in the appendix cover specific and discrete classes of
> > error (putting "other" and "unintelligible" to one side). When you
> > start to apply new text classification based quality checking methods
> > to text several error classes may combine in subtle ways to produce a
> > measure of quality that is "aggregate" across error types but
> > none-the-less accurately indicative that something is wrong. For
> > example, a target sentence may be deemed to have poor conformance when
> > measured against a corpus of domain relevant reference translations. A
> > score would reflect this poor conformance but the underlying errors
> > within the sentence could be a mixture of grammar, spelling, style
> > and/or terminology. In such instances you may not need to explicitly
> > enumerate all of the combining errors and the extent of their
contribution to the score, but just classify it under and umbrella term of
"conformance".
> >
> > The proposed information for the "conformance" value would be as
follows:
> >
> > Value
> >
> > conformance
> >
> > Description
> >
> > The content is deemed to have a level of conformance to a reference
corpus.
> > Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> > given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> > produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >
> > Example
> >
> > "The harbour connected which to printer is busy or configared not
properly."
> > In a system which uses classification techniques this would be deemed
> > to have poor conformance. The poor conformance is a function of the
> > combined incorrect terminology, wrong spelling and bad grammar.
> >
> > Scope
> >
> > S or T
> >
> > Notes
> >
> > Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> > given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> > produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >
> > Phil Ritchie
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
> > the sender immediately by e-mail.
> >
> > www.vistatec.com
> > ************************************************************
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
> > the sender immediately by e-mail.
> >
> > www.vistatec.com
> > ************************************************************
> >
> >
> > ************************************************************
> > This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
> > intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
> > are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
> > the sender immediately by e-mail.
> >
> > www.vistatec.com
> > ************************************************************
>


************************************************************
This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and
intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they
are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify
the sender immediately by e-mail.

www.vistatec.com
************************************************************

Received on Thursday, 21 February 2013 06:50:49 UTC