Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD - "conformance" Issue Type)

Thanks Felix.

Phil



On 20 Feb 2013, at 23:31, "Felix Sasaki" <fsasaki@w3.org> wrote:

> +1. I agree that this would not be a big issue.
>
> Felix
>
> Am 21.02.13 00:25, schrieb Yves Savourel:
> > Hi David, Phil, all,
> >
> > To be honest I'm not sure why adding this item in the list of values
for issue type would be a big problem.
> > We are making much more demanding changes to the specifications in
other places.
> >
> > Phil noted 2 possible users for the values, an when you look at
http://www.w3.org/International/its/ig/its20-tool-specific-mappings.html
(which lists the origin of the current type values), you can see several
values that have only one declared 'user'.
> >
> > I think that value could be useful (as long as its difference with the
Localization Quality Rating is well explained).
> >
> > cheers,
> > -yves
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Dr. David Filip [mailto:David.Filip@ul.ie]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2013 6:55 AM
> > To: Phil Ritchie
> > Cc: Dave Lewis; public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> > Subject: Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
"conformance" Issue Type)
> >
> > Phil, trying to see if this has moved. There has been no traffic on
this one as of Feb 5 and the meeting of Feb 6 seems only to have restated
that the category would be produced and consumed between Digital
Linguistics and Vistatec.
> >
> > While I am aware that this would formally provide two implementers, my
impression is that this new value has not had sufficient traction.
> > Any thoughts, comments?
> > Thanks
> > dF
> >
> > Dr. David Filip
> > =======================
> > LRC | CNGL | LT-Web | CSIS
> > University of Limerick, Ireland
> > telephone: +353-6120-2781
> > cellphone: +353-86-0222-158
> > facsimile: +353-6120-2734
> > mailto: david.filip@ul.ie
> >
> >
> > On Tue, Feb 5, 2013 at 1:21 PM, Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie> wrote:
> >> Dave
> >>
> >> Digital Linguistics will implement as "producer" and VistaTEC will
> >> implement as "consumer".
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:        Dave Lewis <dave.lewis@cs.tcd.ie>
> >> To:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org,
> >> Date:        03/02/2013 19:59
> >> Subject:        Re: issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD
-
> >> "conformance"   Issue  Type)
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Phil,
> >> We need to reach a resolution on ISSUE-63, on the inclusion of the
> >> suggested conformance type to the values for lqi type.
> >>
> >> As discussed on the 7th Jan call
> >> (http://www.w3.org/2013/01/07-mlw-lt-minutes.html#item04), to advance
> >> this we need to find another supporter who'd be willing to implement
> >> this. Did you find anyone else interested in adding this type?
> >>
> >> I suggest we review the status of this on this wed (6th Feb) call, but
> >> if we can find no one else who is interested then we reject this
comment.
> >>
> >> cheers,
> >> Dave
> >>
> >>
> >> On 14/12/2012 16:49, Phil Ritchie wrote:
> >> All
> >>
> >> Per sample output:
> >>
> >> !DOCTYPE html
> >> <html>
> >>         <head>
> >>         </head>
> >>         <body>
> >>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> >> its-loc-quality-severity="2.45">En outre, vous pouvez sélectionner
> >> l'option capture d'écran, ce qui permet de prendre une capture d'écran
> >> n'importe où dans Windows et l'insérer dans votre document.</span>
> >>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> >> its-loc-quality-severity="1.46">Partage de documents a également été
> >> améliorée, avec plusieurs personnes de travailler sur un document en
> >> même temps en ligne, même si je n'étais pas en mesure de tester cette
> >> fonctionnalité.</span>
> >>                 <span its-loc-quality-issues-type="conformance"
> >> its-loc-quality-severity="4.3">À l'instar des autres applications
> >> Office 2010, Excel dispose de nouveaux outils pour le partage des
> >> données avec d'autres personnes, y compris plusieurs personnes
> >> travaillant sur un document à la fois.</span>
> >>         <body>
> >> </html>
> >>
> >> Existing tools that would utilise the the error types are Review
> >> Sentinel published by Digital Linguistics
(http://www.digitallinguistics.com).
> >> Implementation could be done by late February 2013. Also, the VistaTEC
> >> Reviewer's Workbench as part of our deliverables. Some implementation
> >> dependency upon mapping in Xliff.
> >>
> >> Phil.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From:        Felix Sasaki <fsasaki@w3.org>
> >> To:        Phil Ritchie <philr@vistatec.ie>,
> >> Cc:        public-multilingualweb-lt-comments@w3.org
> >> Date:        14/12/2012 09:46
> >> Subject:        issue-63 (Re: Comment on ITS 2.0 specification WD -
> >> "conformance"  Issue Type)
> >> ________________________________
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks, Phil. This is now issue-63. When we discuss this we need to
> >> take the "stability aspect"
> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> >> /2012Dec/0020.html
> >> and the "existing tools" aspect
> >> http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-multilingualweb-lt-comments
> >> /2012Dec/0004.html
> >> See in the latter mail the part
> >> "the other types where based on what existing tools or  standards
> >> initiatives produce. "
> >>
> >> Can you provide some input on that part?
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Felix
> >>
> >> Am 14.12.12 08:27, schrieb Phil Ritchie:
> >> I would like to propose the addition of "conformance" to Appendix C
> >> (Values for the Localization Quality Issue Type).
> >>
> >> The values in the appendix cover specific and discrete classes of
> >> error (putting "other" and "unintelligible" to one side). When you
> >> start to apply new text classification based quality checking methods
> >> to text several error classes may combine in subtle ways to produce a
> >> measure of quality that is "aggregate" across error types but
> >> none-the-less accurately indicative that something is wrong. For
> >> example, a target sentence may be deemed to have poor conformance when
> >> measured against a corpus of domain relevant reference translations. A
> >> score would reflect this poor conformance but the underlying errors
> >> within the sentence could be a mixture of grammar, spelling, style
> >> and/or terminology. In such instances you may not need to explicitly
> >> enumerate all of the combining errors and the extent of their
contribution to the score, but just classify it under and umbrella term of
"conformance".
> >>
> >> The proposed information for the "conformance" value would be as
follows:
> >>
> >> Value
> >>
> >> conformance
> >>
> >> Description
> >>
> >> The content is deemed to have a level of conformance to a reference
corpus.
> >> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> >> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> >> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >>
> >> Example
> >>
> >> "The harbour connected which to printer is busy or configared not
properly."
> >> In a system which uses classification techniques this would be deemed
> >> to have poor conformance. The poor conformance is a function of the
> >> combined incorrect terminology, wrong spelling and bad grammar.
> >>
> >> Scope
> >>
> >> S or T
> >>
> >> Notes
> >>
> >> Reflects the degree to which the text conforms to a reference corpus
> >> given an algorithm which combines several classes of error type to
> >> produce an aggregate rating. Higher values reflect poorer conformance.
> >>
> >> Phil Ritchie
> >>
> >>
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