- From: David Singer <singer@apple.com>
- Date: Tue, 5 May 2009 17:03:57 -0700
- To: Pierre-Antoine Champin <pierre-antoine.champin@liris.cnrs.fr>
- Cc: "public-media-annotation@w3.org" <public-media-annotation@w3.org>
At 20:36 +0100 5/05/09, Pierre-Antoine Champin wrote: >I'm not sure that I agree with the idea of having a value for property X >*at each instant*... > >Back to your copyright example: for me, the copyright is on a whole >media entity, spanning from T to T', even if embeded in a bigger one. It >does not feel right to state that at time T", the copyright is C, just >like it would not feel right to state that the copyright of a book (or >its author, or its title) is the copyright (author, title, resp.) for >each and every word of the book. > > pa I think we are agreeing, in fact. If I ask a question about a specific time, that falls into a range T to T' as you say, and the system can answer. If I ask a question that spans a range of times (or implicitly, all possible times) then there may be a plurality of answers... > >David Singer a écrit : >> At 22:02 +0100 4/05/09, Pierre-Antoine Champin wrote: >>> Hi, >>> >>> I agree with David that "my favourite scenes" is neither 'intrinsic' not >>> 'published'. I also agree to call that 'user' metadata, and would point >>> out that our use case 5.6 [1] is exactly about that. >>> >>> But the properties proposed by Felix are not, IMO, limited to user >>> generated metadata. Some videos are complex, and different fragments may >>> have different intrinsic or published metadata. A canonical example is a >>> news report, which is a composite media object comprising several parts. >>> Both the whole report and each part deserve theit own metadata >>> (intrinsic and published), but it should be possible to express the >>> relation between the whole and the parts. >> >> right, time-variant metadata is a big question. Most annotation/metadata >> systems think of it as time-invariuant ('applies to the whole >> resource'). However, some things are better time-variant (e.g. the >> copyright owner of a movie assembled from pieces might vary by piece). >> >> It's easy to design an interface "at time T in this movie, what is the >> answer to X" and have the reply be "at any time, the answer is Y" >> (time-invariant label). It's harder to answer "what is the answer to X" >> with "well, that depends on what time in the movie you ask about". >> >> worth pondering... >> >>> >>> pa >>> >>> [1] >>> >>>http://www.w3.org/TR/2009/WD-media-annot-reqs-20090119/#uc-user-generated-metadata >>> >>> >>> Felix Sasaki a écrit : >>>> >>>> >>>> 2009/5/5 David Singer <singer@apple.com <mailto:singer@apple.com>> >>>> >>>> At 7:14 +0200 2/05/09, Felix Sasaki wrote: >>>> >>>> List of my favorite scences of a video, as part of the video >>>> metadata? Does that not make sense? >>>> >>>> >>>> Oh wow, this is a new category of metadata. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Is it so new? At least the mechanisms listed in the media fragments >>>> draft seem to exist for some time. So my assumption was that the >>>> mechanisms are actually used, and that mapping betweeen them is useful. >>>> If they exist only as a new category, to be filled by the new fragment >>>> identifier syntax defined by the media fragments WG, than it does not >>>> make sense to invest time in their mapping. >>>> >>>> Felix >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> So far I have been seeing >>>> >>>> * 'intrinsic' properties of the media itself (duration, whether it >>>> has video, audio etc.) >>>> * published annotations for the media (copyright, title, etc.) >>>> >>>> both of these are 'source supplied'. >>>> >>>> 'My favorite scenes' is user-supplied. Hm. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> David Singer >>>> Multimedia Standards, Apple Inc. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" >>> Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature >>> Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" >>> >>> Attachment converted: DaveG49:signature 311.asc ( / ) (00219A47) >> >> > > > >Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name="signature.asc" >Content-Description: OpenPGP digital signature >Content-Disposition: attachment; filename="signature.asc" > >Attachment converted: DaveG49:signature 313.asc ( / ) (0021A1B4) -- David Singer Multimedia Standards, Apple Inc.
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