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Re: Should we drop the color bullet for now?

From: Wayne Dick <wayneedick@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 27 Apr 2017 19:57:55 -0700
Message-ID: <CAJeQ8SCiPzTEa_0XMH+WCcBmKH=vjHn35zQtP7kbwoWW3LskLQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu>
Cc: Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>, public-low-vision-a11y-tf <public-low-vision-a11y-tf@w3.org>, Jonathan Avila <jon.avila@ssbbartgroup.com>
Actually color can be chosen for testing for developers easily. Also, we
can make a tool available for users to choose acceptable colors. The issue
that users may choose colors frivolously is  silly.

There are semantic difficulties: Use of color to visually hide content, use
of image color to support visibility. Use of background images to cash
images. Use of background images to create visible text just violates use
of color for meaning. Content can be visually hidden with size. Images can
be cashed with CSS "content".

This process is unfair. People with print disabilities are expected to
engage in extensive discussions in print without accommodation.  You cannot
participate reading only 1/10 of the critical information.

I didn't even dream someone would propose dropping font permanently. I need
my distinguishable fonts.

If is have to give up color on the web that is a disaster for me.

I did not see those threads.

Wayne



On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Jim Allan <jimallan@tsbvi.edu> wrote:

> Wayne,
> This is a process. I don't think anyone disagrees that the ability to
> change color is important. We are taking some time to get the wording
> right. Writing these is hard. There will be lots of discussion. Color will
> not go away.
>
>
> On Apr 27, 2017 8:06 PM, "Wayne Dick" <wayneedick@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> The ability to change color is essential to my use of web pages.
>
> Agrr
>
>
> An icon that depends on background color to be visible is using color to
> convey meaning.
>
> Agree. We talked about that in todays meeting and agreed to do more on
> this topic. I created a wiki page with reference to the minutes.
>
>
> A presentation that depends on a background image to make font visible is
> using color to convey meaning.
>
> Agree. See above
>
>
> Background images were never created to act as cashes for icons. Using
> sprites in background images is like using a heading because you like the
> style of the element.
>
> Yes.
>
>
> We are being blocked from accessibility because of an identifiable list of
> practices that are kludges.
>
> I think you started a good list. We need to expand the list. Get examples.
> Build the case. Write the SC. It takes time. We have 15 months to go.
>
>
> Testability of color substitution is trivial.  Setting save  color choices
> with a wide domain of choice is trivial.  There is not reason to deny users
> access to the color of their choice.
>
> If color is taken off the table I will prepare an appeal to the AC. I have
> enough data to prove my case.
>
> We are NOT removing color forever. We are rethinking the approach and
> wording of the SC to approach the issue from the authors side rather than
> the user need side.
> I think the group made progress on the differt approach to the color SC
> today.
> Please give the group time to think and the process (which is slow and
> frustrating) to work, so we can craft a solid SC to address color.
>
> Jim
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> Wayne
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> On Thu, Apr 27, 2017 at 1:39 AM, Alastair Campbell <acampbell@nomensa.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Ach, I shouldn’t reply from my phone, I had meant the test should be:
>>
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>> “Change the colours to black and white. Where the foreground text is dark
>> use white on black, or if the foreground text is light use black on white.”
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>> This would be a test to find issues as a proxy of what the user does, it
>> is not the user requirement. I think that would highlight any issues people
>> encounter?
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>> I can’t think how to get that into SC text as a bullet though… perhaps:
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>> * Colours can be adapted to a high-contrast colour scheme such as black
>> and white.
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>> Although not everyone wants high-contrast the ability to change it is
>> there, easy to test, and clear on the requirement… I hope.
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>> -Alastair
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