Re: Big data applications for general users based on RDF - where are they?

On 23 June 2013 15:39, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com> wrote:

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> On 22 June 2013 20:01, Hugh Glaser <hg@ecs.soton.ac.uk> wrote:
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>> Hi Melvin,
>> I wouldn't really say that Tabulator was suitable for "general non
>> technical users".
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> Fair, comment, but that's something we'd like to change soon!
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>> I just clicked on the link, and apart from getting endless windows with
>> "Couldn't set callback for redirects: TypeError: 'undefined' is not an
>> object (evaluating 'xhr.channel')"
>> it is pretty opaque as to what to do next.
>> Even trying to read the help.
>> That's not to say it isn't useful - it I just wouldn't even expect my
>> technical non-SemWeb colleagues to feel the SemWeb was for them by being
>> told that was an application for non-technical people.
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> Thanks for giving it a try, sorry about that demo, it's *really* old, we
> have much better working versions now.
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> I'll try and update the documentation in the next week or so.
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> The easily way to give tabulator a try right now is to check out the
> firefox extension have play around:
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>   git clone --recursive
> https://github.com/linkeddata/tabulator-firefox.git
>   cd tabulator-firfox
>   make
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> Then add it to your firefox profile(s) -- something like:
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>   for i in /home/melvin/.mozilla/firefox/*/extensions/ ; do echo $PWD >
> tabulator@csail.mit.edu ; done
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*typo -- should read*

  for i in ~/.mozilla/firefox/*/extensions/ ; do echo $PWD >
$i/tabulator@csail.mit.edu <tabulator@csail.mit.edu> ; done



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> Then restart firefox and give it a try.  You should have a full read /
> write linked data browser experience which you can tailor to your need.
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> A simple test to see if it's installed could be say:
> http://www.w3.org/ns/auth/acl
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> Thanks for the feedback, I agree that apps like this need to be user
> friendly and well documented.  To an extent we rely on volunteer
> contributions, so any feedback or help is appreciated! :)
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>> Best
>> Hugh
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>> On 22 Jun 2013, at 18:08, Melvin Carvalho <melvincarvalho@gmail.com>
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>> > On 22 June 2013 18:56, Dominic Oldman <doint@oldman.me.uk> wrote:
>> > So publishing linked data is easy but creating applications that make
>> use of it is a completely different kettle of fish and very difficult,
>> particularly in the way I described.
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>> > My assumption is that the linked data community is keen to create these
>> user applications and not consign linked data to isolated back end
>> processing jobs and a tool for computer scientists. How do we as a
>> community solve the semantic interoperability issue?
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>> > People have different focuses.  I would guess that most are interested
>> in back ends and creating (mainly read only) data sets.
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>> > However there are a few people working on applications, to my
>> knowledge.  If you look at Tim's linked data note, he references the
>> tabulator project:
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>> > http://tabulator.org/
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>> > Which is an open source project he and his team at MIT have been
>> developing over the last 10 years or so.  There's about 20 or so linked
>> data applications from calendars to miroblogs.  The source can be found at:
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>> > https://github.com/linkeddata
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>> > This is my favourite project to hack on in my spare time.  If there's
>> anybody out there interested in helping to create useful linked data apps,
>> would love to hear from you! :)
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>> > Dominic
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>> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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>> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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>> > From: Dominic Oldman <do_home@btopenworld.com>;
>> > To: jyoung@oclc.org <jyoung@oclc.org>;
>> > Subject: Re: RE: Big data applications for general users based on RDF -
>> where are they?
>> > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 4:41:03 PM
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>> > So publishing linked data is easy but creating applications that make
>> use of it is a completely different kettle of fish and very difficult,
>> particularly in the way I described.
>> >
>> > My assumption is that the linked data community is keen to create these
>> user applications and not consign linked data to isolated back end
>> processing jobs and a tool for computer scientists. How do we as a
>> community solve the semantic interoperability issue?
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>> > Dominic
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>> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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>> > From: Young,Jeff (OR) <jyoung@oclc.org>;
>> > To: doint@oldman.me.uk <doint@oldman.me.uk>; public-lod@w3 org <
>> public-lod@w3.org>;
>> > Subject: RE: Big data applications for general users based on RDF -
>> where are they?
>> > Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2013 4:27:31 PM
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>> > It’s pretty easy to write an XSL stylesheet to convert “records” into
>> RDF/XML, and then write a little M/R job to run the XSL against a big bulk
>> of records to boil it down.
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>> > The intellectual challenge is the semantic mapping of idiomatic data
>> into RDF vocabulary terms.
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>> > Jeff
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>> > From: Dominic Oldman [mailto:doint@oldman.me.uk]
>> > Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2013 12:16 PM
>> > To: public-lod@w3 org
>> > Subject: Big data applications for general users based on RDF - where
>> are they?
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>> > Why are there so few useful linked data applications for general non
>> technical users that provide functions that people need to support and
>> enhance their work and which operate over large amounts of data owned by
>> different organisations with a high degree of semantic interoperability and
>> robustness?
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>> > Dominic
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>> > Sent from Yahoo! Mail on Android
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