- From: Barry Norton <barry.norton@ontotext.com>
- Date: Mon, 03 Jun 2013 22:06:06 +0100
- To: public-lod@w3.org
Apologies, I'm reading out of order - David and Pat seem to have
introduced already what OWA mandates here (in absence of a relationship).
Let me just reiterate, then, what I'm trying to say - with an RDBMS hat
on, I agree that sometimes a null is a 'positive' null, and I too would
like sometimes to say that in RDF.
(With OWL could I not define a subclass of the relationship domain with
a zero cardinality constraint on the property and make the
'positively-null' an instance of that subclass? Apologies if this too
has been covered...)
Barry
On 03/06/13 21:58, Barry Norton wrote:
> On 03/06/13 16:52, Phillip Lord wrote:
>>
>> Value unknown is easy. Just don't say anything.
>>
>> Value not applicable and doesn't exist, given your examples, seem the
>> same to me.
>
> I don't agree. Under the Open World assumption anything that can later
> be learned should not affect consistency. A positive null ("there is
> no such") should lead to a contradiction is someone later asserts such
> a value/relationship (which doesn't happen with a simple unpopulated
> relationship from the subject).
>
> In RDF (which has been my answer before - feel free to contradict me,
> I'm not an authority, it's just that I've made the proposal before)
> this seems possible only with Collections. What I mean by this is that
> with a list-ranged relationship I can specify a value of 'there is no
> such' (rdf:nil) and someone trying to populate the list later would
> have to revert that fact to provide such a value. Without a list
> expected, this does not seem possible (again, to me).
>
> Barry
>
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