Re: Two Final Threads - Diphthongs / Final glyph checks

Hi Greg,
Correct. We have to add M+FVS2 same as first medial form.
Override #5 seems also correct. Some condition should be like "after 
vowel set and before I".

Badral


On 20.11.2015 04:02, Greg Eck wrote:
>
> Hi Badral,
>
> Let’s look at the issue in two parts:
>
> 1.)Verify that the encoding will handle various means of spelling the 
> medial Y
>
> 2.)Decide how to spell the anomalies
>
> I look at our job within this forum mainly to cover point number 1.
>
> If we want to have discussion on point number two and if it really 
> needs to be covered in order to decide on #1, then of course we must 
> talk about point number 2.
>
> Otherwise discussion about point #2 is an aside (albeit important 
> aside, but still an aside).
>
> Our job remains #1.
>
> Our premise is that the NP column below is correct.
>
> We just want to consider adding the default glyph at the M+FVS2 slot 
> so that we can spell the
>
> -Medial N default with OT rulings only
>
> -Medial N default with over-ride possibility
>
> -Medial N variant with OT rulings only
>
> -Medial N variant with over-ride possibility
>
> imap://badral%2Ebolorsoft@mail.bolorsoft.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E5488?header=quotebody&part=1.7&filename=image006.png
>
> *Then we arrive at an over-ride like this … ?*
>
> imap://badral%2Ebolorsoft@mail.bolorsoft.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E5488?header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png
>
> *Badral, do you want to spell out the logic for the condition?*
>
> Greg
>
> *>>>>>*
>
> *Sent:*Friday, November 20, 2015 2:51 AM
> *Subject:* Re: Two Final Threads - Diphthongs / Final glyph checks
>
> I will try to explain this problem. There exist an overlap between 
> some regular words and some words with diphthong, if we use yi for 
> diphthongs. The list created by Siqin is exactly these regular words.
> Saiqan is just one example word, which contains a diphthong. If we use 
> yi for diphthong, it seems sayiqan and has to be displayed with two 
> straight shin (shilbe) 
> likeimap://badral%2Ebolorsoft@mail.bolorsoft.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E5488?header=quotebody&part=1.3&filename=image002.png. 
> Here the first shin is YA consonant which is second medial form of YA 
> (1836). But we should not use FVSs for diphthongs because the 
> frequency is enormous, thus it's managed by OT rules. The second shin 
> is first medial form of I (1822).
> Besides, there exist a regular word sayiqan, which means "recently". 
> In this case YI must be displayed with one turned up shin and one 
> straight shin like 
> imap://badral%2Ebolorsoft@mail.bolorsoft.com:143/fetch%3EUID%3E.INBOX%3E5488?header=quotebody&part=1.4&filename=image003.png. 
> Here first shin is YA consonant which is first medial form of YA 
> (1836). The second one is first medial form of I (1822).
> Now, the problem is how should we encode this type of words. We have 
> already the OT rules which displays YI as two straight shin for 
> encoding SAYIQAN, which means "nice". Now we have to invalidate our 
> rule, to display sayiqan with meaning "recently". We have possibility 
> to encode such regular words with SAY(FVS2 or FVS3)IQAN. I already 
> suggested that we can use FVS2 generally for every overriding. It's 
> exactly same as the overriding at NAI(FVS2)MA.
>
> Badral
>
>
> On 06.11.2015 10:18, siqin wrote:
>
>     Hi Greg,
>
>         To make it very clear, you are saying that
>
>         mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAIQAN)
>         is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>
>         and
>
>         mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.3&filename=image002.png (SAYIQAN)
>         is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>?
>
>         AND there should be no FVS involved?
>
>     Yes, and if want to use ayi,eyi,oyi,uyi,oeyi,ueyi,
>
>     mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAY'IQAN)
>     is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+180B><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>
>
>     The words with Y which not silbe is here
>
>         middle_yi.pdf
>         middle_yi.docx
>         middle_yi.xps
>
>     SiqinBilige.
>
>     On 2015/11/06 1:06, Greg Eck wrote:
>
>         Hi Jirimutu,
>
>         To make it very clear, you are saying that
>
>         mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAIQAN)
>         is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>
>         and
>
>         mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.3&filename=image002.png (SAYIQAN)
>         is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>?
>
>         AND there should be no FVS involved?
>
>         Does someone have time to pull up Siqin’s list in text form
>         again? It should be both in text and .xps format. I believe
>         Baiti has resolved most of the diphthongs without use of the
>         FVS, but if we had some mutually accessible test data, we
>         could all check our font against the same data.
>
>         Greg
>
> >>>>>


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