Re: Two Final Threads - Diphthongs / Final glyph checks

Hi Greg,
I will try to explain this problem. There exist an overlap between some 
regular words and some words with diphthong, if we use yi for 
diphthongs. The list created by Siqin is exactly these regular words.
Saiqan is just one example word, which contains a diphthong. If we use 
yi for diphthong, it seems sayiqan and has to be displayed with two 
straight shin (shilbe) like. Here the first shin is YA consonant which 
is second medial form of YA (1836). But we should not use FVSs for 
diphthongs because the frequency is enormous, thus it's managed by OT 
rules. The second shin is first medial form of I (1822).
Besides, there exist a regular word sayiqan, which means "recently". In 
this case YI must be displayed with one turned up shin and one straight 
shin like . Here first shin is YA consonant which is first medial form 
of YA (1836). The second one is first medial form of I (1822).
Now, the problem is how should we encode this type of words. We have 
already the OT rules which displays YI as two straight shin for encoding 
SAYIQAN, which means "nice". Now we have to invalidate our rule, to 
display sayiqan with meaning "recently". We have possibility to encode 
such regular words with SAY(FVS2 or FVS3)IQAN. I already suggested that 
we can use FVS2 generally for every overriding. It's exactly same as the 
overriding at NAI(FVS2)MA.

Badral


On 06.11.2015 10:18, siqin wrote:
> Hi Greg,
>
>> To make it very clear, you are saying that
>>
>> mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAIQAN) 
>> is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>>
>> and
>>
>> mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.3&filename=image002.png (SAYIQAN) 
>> is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>?
>>
>> AND there should be no FVS involved?
> Yes, and if want to use ayi,eyi,oyi,uyi,oeyi,ueyi,
>
> mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAY'IQAN) 
> is           
> <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+180B><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>
>
>
> The words with Y which not silbe is here
>
>     middle_yi.pdf
>     middle_yi.docx
>     middle_yi.xps
>
> SiqinBilige.
>
>
> On 2015/11/06 1:06, Greg Eck wrote:
>>
>> Hi Jirimutu,
>>
>> To make it very clear, you are saying that
>>
>> mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.2&filename=image001.png(SAIQAN) 
>> is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>
>>
>> and
>>
>> mailbox:///D:/siqin/Thunderbird/Profiles/b1ym75zh.default/Mail/Local%20Folders/w3?number=64727281&header=quotebody&part=1.3&filename=image002.png (SAYIQAN) 
>> is <U+1830><U+1820><U+1836><U+1822><U+182C><U+1820><U+1828>?
>>
>> AND there should be no FVS involved?
>>
>> Does someone have time to pull up Siqin’s list in text form again? It 
>> should be both in text and .xps format. I believe Baiti has resolved 
>> most of the diphthongs without use of the FVS, but if we had some 
>> mutually accessible test data, we could all check our font against 
>> the same data.
>>
>> Greg
>>
>> *>>>>>*
>>
>> *Sent:*Thursday, November 5, 2015 8:21 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: Two Final Threads - Diphthongs / Final glyph checks
>>
>> I have attached the XPS format file of Reply_to_Badral.pdf.
>>
>> Hope this works.
>>
>> >Having troubles with the pdf because it drops the NNBSP upon cut/paste.
>>
>> >That is one ACTION POINT that we need to address shortly.
>>
>> Yes. I would like to know who is from Adobe Systems ?
>>
>> I would like to communicate with them regarding the adobe products 
>> like InDesign support Mongolian as well.
>>
>> Jirimutu
>>
>> >>>>>
>>
>


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