Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair

Hi Emmanuelle,

*Note:* the sarcasm element is not an official or unofficial proposal for
anything, its just an experiment i put together yesterday to show how
custom elements *could* be used to create, well, a custom <sarcasm> element.

As I stated to Jukka, if you can think of a better way to express the
semantics I urge you to do any of the following:
1. file issues https://github.com/stevefaulkner/5-sarcasm/issues
2. fork and change , submit pull requests if desired.
3. create an alternative sarcasm design pattern in some form

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Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>

On 4 November 2014 13:01, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo <
emmanuelle@sidar.org> wrote:

> Hi Steve and all,
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> Do you ask to Spanish screen readers too?
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> For me an inverted o reverse question  mark don’t seem a “natural” way to
> mark the sarcasm. So I look for in Wikipedia and found that this is very
> similar to the ironic mark but not to the sarcasm mark [1]:
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> "¡" redirects here. It is not to be confused with Temherte slaq
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temherte_slaq>.
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> "¿" redirects here. It is not to be confused with the Irony mark
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_mark> (*؟*).
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> *Temherte slaqî*
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> In certain Ethiopic languages
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopic_languages>, sarcasm and unreal
> phrases are indicated at the end of a sentence with a sarcasm mark called *temherte
> slaqî* or *temherte slaq* (U+00A1) ( *¡* ), a character that looks like
> the inverted exclamation point
> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_exclamation_point>.
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> As you can see, the sign that looks like an inverted question mark is used
> to indicate irony, no sarcasm.
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> So, I suggest use the temherte slaqî instead of the inverted question
> mark: *¡*
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> Best regards,
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> *Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo*
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> Patrono y Directora General
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> Fundación Sidar - Acceso Universal
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> Email: coordina@sidar.org
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> Personal: Emmanuelle@sidar.org
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> Web: http://sidar.org
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> [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_question_and_exclamation_marks
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> *De:* Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com]
> *Enviado el:* martes, 04 de noviembre de 2014 0:53
> *Para:* Jukka K. Korpela
> *CC:* Pradeep Kumar; sam; HTMLWG WG
> *Asunto:* Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair
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> On 3 November 2014 12:32, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>
> wrote:
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> Your techniques do not work in Chrome.
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> right, tracked down as a chrome bug.
> https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=393490
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> You can set attributes to HTML elements in JavaScript. Whether such a
> specific setting is of any help is highly questionable; expressing sarcasm
> that way is about as enigmatic as it is to express it with leading and
> trailing Arabic question marks (which is what “؟” really is; the reversed
> question mark is “⸮”).
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> sure, what you get with a custom element, is that the semantics are added
> for you.
> FYI I Asked a few friends who are screen reader users. they found the info
> useful.
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> Now using the correct reverse question mark, THANKS!
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> Besides <sarcasm> is an exercise in suggesting we don't need a native
> element for everything and if one really wants an element , then it can be
> done using newer features of the open web platform, if one so desires.
> Whether it is worthwhile, is in the eyes of the developer, and not
> constrained by the stated tastes of commentators.
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> Regards
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> SteveF
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> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
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