RE: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair

Hi Steve and all,

 

Do you ask to Spanish screen readers too?

 

For me an inverted o reverse question  mark don’t seem a “natural” way to mark the sarcasm. So I look for in Wikipedia and found that this is very similar to the ironic mark but not to the sarcasm mark [1]:

 

"¡" redirects here. It is not to be confused with  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temherte_slaq> Temherte slaq.

"¿" redirects here. It is not to be confused with the  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_mark> Irony mark (؟).

 

Temherte slaqî

In certain  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopic_languages> Ethiopic languages, sarcasm and unreal phrases are indicated at the end of a sentence with a sarcasm mark called temherte slaqî or temherte slaq (U+00A1) ( ¡ ), a character that looks like the  <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_exclamation_point> inverted exclamation point.

As you can see, the sign that looks like an inverted question mark is used to indicate irony, no sarcasm.

So, I suggest use the temherte slaqî instead of the inverted question mark: ¡

 

Best regards,

 

Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo

Patrono y Directora General

Fundación Sidar - Acceso Universal

Email:  <mailto:coordina@sidar.org> coordina@sidar.org

Personal:  <mailto:Emmanuelle@sidar.org> Emmanuelle@sidar.org

Web:  <http://sidar.org> http://sidar.org

 

[1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_question_and_exclamation_marks

 

 

De: Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com] 
Enviado el: martes, 04 de noviembre de 2014 0:53
Para: Jukka K. Korpela
CC: Pradeep Kumar; sam; HTMLWG WG
Asunto: Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair

 

 

On 3 November 2014 12:32, Jukka K. Korpela <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi> wrote:

Your techniques do not work in Chrome.

 

right, tracked down as a chrome bug. https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=393490

You can set attributes to HTML elements in JavaScript. Whether such a specific setting is of any help is highly questionable; expressing sarcasm that way is about as enigmatic as it is to express it with leading and trailing Arabic question marks (which is what “؟” really is; the reversed question mark is “⸮”).

 

sure, what you get with a custom element, is that the semantics are added for you.
FYI I Asked a few friends who are screen reader users. they found the info useful.

Now using the correct reverse question mark, THANKS!

Besides <sarcasm> is an exercise in suggesting we don't need a native element for everything and if one really wants an element , then it can be done using newer features of the open web platform, if one so desires. Whether it is worthwhile, is in the eyes of the developer, and not constrained by the stated tastes of commentators.


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Regards

SteveF

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