Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair

Steve, Jukka, Pradeep, and Emmanuelle,

I certainly didn't intend to ignite a controversy.  My apologies for any 
inconvenience.  I am still impressed with the ability of your group to 
get things sorted out and the discussion started, and the knowledge and 
thought they bring to the table..

I spent half a century in industry and I have never had a project team 
jump on something with this much interest, vigor, knowledge and 
creativity.  It's almost enough to make me come back out of retirement.

Thank you all,
Sam


On 11/04/2014 06:50 AM, Steve Faulkner wrote:
> Hi Emmanuelle,
>
> *Note:* the sarcasm element is not an official or unofficial proposal 
> for anything, its just an experiment i put together yesterday to show 
> how custom elements /could/ be used to create, well, a custom 
> <sarcasm> element.
>
> As I stated to Jukka, if you can think of a better way to express the 
> semantics I urge you to do any of the following:
> 1. file issues https://github.com/stevefaulkner/5-sarcasm/issues
> 2. fork and change , submit pull requests if desired.
> 3. create an alternative sarcasm design pattern in some form
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
> On 4 November 2014 13:01, Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo 
> <emmanuelle@sidar.org <mailto:emmanuelle@sidar.org>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Steve and all,
>
>     Do you ask to Spanish screen readers too?
>
>     For me an inverted o reverse question mark don’t seem a “natural”
>     way to mark the sarcasm. So I look for in Wikipedia and found that
>     this is very similar to the ironic mark but not to the sarcasm
>     mark [1]:
>
>     "¡" redirects here. It is not to be confused with Temherte slaq
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temherte_slaq>.
>
>     "¿" redirects here. It is not to be confused with the Irony mark
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irony_mark>(/؟/).
>
>     */Temherte slaqî/***
>
>     In certain Ethiopic languages
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethiopic_languages>, sarcasm and
>     unreal phrases are indicated at the end of a sentence with a
>     sarcasm mark called /temherte slaqî/ or /temherte slaq/ (U+00A1) (
>     *¡* ), a character that looks like the inverted exclamation point
>     <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_exclamation_point>.
>
>     As you can see, the sign that looks like an inverted question mark
>     is used to indicate irony, no sarcasm.
>
>     So, I suggest use the temherte slaqî instead of the inverted
>     question mark: *¡***
>
>     **
>
>     Best regards,
>
>     /Emmanuelle Gutiérrez y Restrepo/
>
>     Patrono y Directora General
>
>     Fundación Sidar - Acceso Universal
>
>     Email: coordina@sidar.org <mailto:coordina@sidar.org>
>
>     Personal: Emmanuelle@sidar.org <mailto:Emmanuelle@sidar.org>
>
>     Web: http://sidar.org
>
>     [1]
>     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inverted_question_and_exclamation_marks
>
>     *De:*Steve Faulkner [mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com
>     <mailto:faulkner.steve@gmail.com>]
>     *Enviado el:* martes, 04 de noviembre de 2014 0:53
>     *Para:* Jukka K. Korpela
>     *CC:* Pradeep Kumar; sam; HTMLWG WG
>     *Asunto:* Re: suggestion for tag set <sarcasm> </sarcasm> pair
>
>     On 3 November 2014 12:32, Jukka K. Korpela
>     <jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi <mailto:jukka.k.korpela@kolumbus.fi>>
>     wrote:
>
>     Your techniques do not work in Chrome.
>
>     right, tracked down as a chrome bug.
>     https://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=393490
>
>         You can set attributes to HTML elements in JavaScript. Whether
>         such a specific setting is of any help is highly questionable;
>         expressing sarcasm that way is about as enigmatic as it is to
>         express it with leading and trailing Arabic question marks
>         (which is what “؟” really is; the reversed question mark is “⸮”).
>
>     sure, what you get with a custom element, is that the semantics
>     are added for you.
>     FYI I Asked a few friends who are screen reader users. they found
>     the info useful.
>
>     Now using the correct reverse question mark, THANKS!
>
>     Besides <sarcasm> is an exercise in suggesting we don't need a
>     native element for everything and if one really wants an element ,
>     then it can be done using newer features of the open web platform,
>     if one so desires. Whether it is worthwhile, is in the eyes of the
>     developer, and not constrained by the stated tastes of commentators.
>
>     --
>
>     Regards
>
>     SteveF
>
>     HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
>

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