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Re: using strong to indicate a title?

From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:34:50 +0100
Message-ID: <CA+ri+V=W5WpxcgOXA_Wr+uAQZUB+FfaSDu7oS-f0Y-yCD+wVzQ@mail.gmail.com>
To: Christopher Healey <deezignink@gmail.com>
Cc: Wilfred Nas <wilfred@wnas.nl>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
>
> Obviously subheadings are used frequently. So rather than tip to around
> alternatives, why not create one specifically for that purpose as we have
> done for so many other things? If group wasn't working for whatever reason
> (i personally thought it's implementation was fine) something does need to
> pop up to fill this use case, it's not rare.



we have a number of proposals sitting around:

* http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup <subline>
* http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub <hsub>
* http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/OutlineMask outlinemask
attribute
* http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub2 variation on <hsub>

anybody can work on progressing any of these proposals (suggest reading
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ExtensionHowTo) and I would encourage people
to do so, if they think the need for a dedicated element is that pressing,
although I would personally rather see people working on a feature for
footnotes (
http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#footnotes)
:-)






--

Regards

SteveF
HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>


On 7 May 2013 15:23, Christopher Healey <deezignink@gmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#sub-head
>
> HTML does not have a dedicated mechanism for marking up subheadings,
> alternative titles or tag lines. here are……
>
> Obviously subheadings are used frequently. So rather than tip to around
> alternatives, why not create one specifically for that purpose as we have
> done for so many other things? If group wasn't working for whatever reason
> (i personally thought it's implementation was fine) something does need to
> pop up to fill this use case, it's not rare.
>
> -Christopher
>
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Wilfred Nas <wilfred@wnas.nl> wrote:
>
> +1
>
> Wilfred Nas
>
> @wnas
> wilfred@wnas.nl
> wnas.nl
> +31(0)6 2426 9159
>
> On May 7, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> thanks Mallory,
>
> i agree, (never said it was a good idea) but wanted to get others thoughts.
>
> In the general case
>
> <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header>
>
> is my preferred solution
>
>
> --
>
> Regards
>
> SteveF
> HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>
>
> On 7 May 2013 14:45, Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>wrote:
>
>> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 02:26:31PM +0100, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>> > disclaimer: its an off the cuff idea only!
>> >
>> > I have been musing on the idea of using strong to signify  the title
>> part
>> > of a heading that has title and subtitle:
>> >
>> > <h1><strong>title</strong> subtitle</h1>
>> >
>> > would be interested to get others thoughts on the pattern
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > SteveF
>> > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
>>
>> No me gusta: means changing meaning of strong (for a second time),
>> and UAs would have to check parent of strong to decide which meaning
>> it has. Strong also doesn't solve the mottos/slogans/taglines/banners
>> issue people were using multiple headings+hgroup for, since for me
>> those things never belonged in hx tags to begin with.
>>
>> I think I don't generally like the idea of one tag having two very
>> different, contextual meanings, though I'm sure someone already
>> does and I'm just not coming up with them at the moment.
>>
>> Still think the idea of saying "everyone sibling to hx inside a
>> <header> tag has some special association with the hx" is nicer since
>> then the tags still keep their actual normal original meaning and
>> can encompass non-subtitle content. Including images. Not entirely
>> certian what the special association would be, if any, unless rel
>> attributes could somehow be used.
>>
>> <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header>
>>
>> -Mallory
>>
>>
>
>
>
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