- From: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Tue, 7 May 2013 15:34:50 +0100
- To: Christopher Healey <deezignink@gmail.com>
- Cc: Wilfred Nas <wilfred@wnas.nl>, HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>
- Message-ID: <CA+ri+V=W5WpxcgOXA_Wr+uAQZUB+FfaSDu7oS-f0Y-yCD+wVzQ@mail.gmail.com>
> > Obviously subheadings are used frequently. So rather than tip to around > alternatives, why not create one specifically for that purpose as we have > done for so many other things? If group wasn't working for whatever reason > (i personally thought it's implementation was fine) something does need to > pop up to fill this use case, it's not rare. we have a number of proposals sitting around: * http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hgroup <subline> * http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub <hsub> * http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/OutlineMask outlinemask attribute * http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ChangeProposals/hSub2 variation on <hsub> anybody can work on progressing any of these proposals (suggest reading http://www.w3.org/html/wg/wiki/ExtensionHowTo) and I would encourage people to do so, if they think the need for a dedicated element is that pressing, although I would personally rather see people working on a feature for footnotes ( http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#footnotes) :-) -- Regards SteveF HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> On 7 May 2013 15:23, Christopher Healey <deezignink@gmail.com> wrote: > http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#sub-head > > HTML does not have a dedicated mechanism for marking up subheadings, > alternative titles or tag lines. here are…… > > Obviously subheadings are used frequently. So rather than tip to around > alternatives, why not create one specifically for that purpose as we have > done for so many other things? If group wasn't working for whatever reason > (i personally thought it's implementation was fine) something does need to > pop up to fill this use case, it's not rare. > > -Christopher > > > On May 7, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Wilfred Nas <wilfred@wnas.nl> wrote: > > +1 > > Wilfred Nas > > @wnas > wilfred@wnas.nl > wnas.nl > +31(0)6 2426 9159 > > On May 7, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> > wrote: > > thanks Mallory, > > i agree, (never said it was a good idea) but wanted to get others thoughts. > > In the general case > > <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header> > > is my preferred solution > > > -- > > Regards > > SteveF > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> > > > On 7 May 2013 14:45, Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl>wrote: > >> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 02:26:31PM +0100, Steve Faulkner wrote: >> > disclaimer: its an off the cuff idea only! >> > >> > I have been musing on the idea of using strong to signify the title >> part >> > of a heading that has title and subtitle: >> > >> > <h1><strong>title</strong> subtitle</h1> >> > >> > would be interested to get others thoughts on the pattern >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > Regards >> > >> > SteveF >> > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/> >> >> No me gusta: means changing meaning of strong (for a second time), >> and UAs would have to check parent of strong to decide which meaning >> it has. Strong also doesn't solve the mottos/slogans/taglines/banners >> issue people were using multiple headings+hgroup for, since for me >> those things never belonged in hx tags to begin with. >> >> I think I don't generally like the idea of one tag having two very >> different, contextual meanings, though I'm sure someone already >> does and I'm just not coming up with them at the moment. >> >> Still think the idea of saying "everyone sibling to hx inside a >> <header> tag has some special association with the hx" is nicer since >> then the tags still keep their actual normal original meaning and >> can encompass non-subtitle content. Including images. Not entirely >> certian what the special association would be, if any, unless rel >> attributes could somehow be used. >> >> <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header> >> >> -Mallory >> >> > > >
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