Re: using strong to indicate a title?

http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/common-idioms.html#sub-head

HTML does not have a dedicated mechanism for marking up subheadings, alternative titles or tag lines. here are……

Obviously subheadings are used frequently. So rather than tip to around alternatives, why not create one specifically for that purpose as we have done for so many other things? If group wasn't working for whatever reason (i personally thought it's implementation was fine) something does need to pop up to fill this use case, it's not rare.

-Christopher


On May 7, 2013, at 10:18 PM, Wilfred Nas <wilfred@wnas.nl> wrote:

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> On May 7, 2013, at 3:48 PM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> thanks Mallory, 
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>> i agree, (never said it was a good idea) but wanted to get others thoughts.
>> 
>> In the general case
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>> <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header>
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>> is my preferred solution
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>> --
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>> Regards
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>> SteveF
>> HTML 5.1
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>> On 7 May 2013 14:45, Mallory van Achterberg <stommepoes@stommepoes.nl> wrote:
>> On Tue, May 07, 2013 at 02:26:31PM +0100, Steve Faulkner wrote:
>> > disclaimer: its an off the cuff idea only!
>> >
>> > I have been musing on the idea of using strong to signify  the title part
>> > of a heading that has title and subtitle:
>> >
>> > <h1><strong>title</strong> subtitle</h1>
>> >
>> > would be interested to get others thoughts on the pattern
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> >
>> > Regards
>> >
>> > SteveF
>> > HTML 5.1 <http://www.w3.org/html/wg/drafts/html/master/>
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>> No me gusta: means changing meaning of strong (for a second time),
>> and UAs would have to check parent of strong to decide which meaning
>> it has. Strong also doesn't solve the mottos/slogans/taglines/banners
>> issue people were using multiple headings+hgroup for, since for me
>> those things never belonged in hx tags to begin with.
>> 
>> I think I don't generally like the idea of one tag having two very
>> different, contextual meanings, though I'm sure someone already
>> does and I'm just not coming up with them at the moment.
>> 
>> Still think the idea of saying "everyone sibling to hx inside a
>> <header> tag has some special association with the hx" is nicer since
>> then the tags still keep their actual normal original meaning and
>> can encompass non-subtitle content. Including images. Not entirely
>> certian what the special association would be, if any, unless rel
>> attributes could somehow be used.
>> 
>> <header><hx id="foo">Meijer</hx><p rel="foo">Why Pay More?</p></header>
>> 
>> -Mallory
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