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Re: device independent title attribute support in browsers

From: david bolter <david.bolter@gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 11:00:50 -0400
Message-ID: <BANLkTinFDYTNU8mU9NNwWDWjfDvA2kZxZg@mail.gmail.com>
To: Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
Cc: HTMLWG WG <public-html@w3.org>, Charles McCathieNevile <chaals@opera.com>, Maciej Stachowiak <mjs@apple.com>, David Bolter <dbolter@mozilla.com>, Adrian Bateman <adrianba@microsoft.com>, Cynthia Shelly <cyns@microsoft.com>, Joseph Scheuhammer <clown@alum.mit.edu>
I'm not optimistic about this all getting satisfactorily designed and
implemented soon.

I think we need to have a good UI design in hand. I'm adding Joseph to the
cc list as he's thought a lot about keyboard interaction. I also think Earl
Johnson's keyboard proposal (table 2 and 3) is probably helpful here:

How would the user move focus to the image? Would it be in the tab order?

Would you want us to pursue implementing this regardless of the alt/title
conformance decisions?

On Tue, Apr 19, 2011 at 4:37 AM, Steve Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hi all,
> A recent decision by the HTML working group makes it conforming to
> provide caption content for images whilst omitting the alt attribute.
> This is problematic because while alt is designed to be presented to
> users when the image cannot be viewed, and it is implemented as such.
> The title attribute is for advisory information that should be
> available to all users at any time. This is not the case and has never
> been the case in any graphical browser.
> Can any of the representatives from browser vendors provide
> information as to when the title attribute will be implemented so:
> * keyboard only users are aware that a title attribute is present on an
> element?
> * keyboard only users are able to access the title attribute content
> on an element using the keyboard?
> * The display of the title attribute content is configurable so that
> users of screen magnifiers are able view title attribute content
> within the viewport?
> * access to title attribute content will be available on mobile and
> touch browsers?
> --
> with regards
> Steve Faulkner
Received on Wednesday, 20 April 2011 15:01:18 UTC

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