Re: Timed tracks

I agree with Sean here:  caption style shouldn't be governed by page style.

Geoff/NCAM




On 4/22/10 1:53 PM, "Sean Hayes" <Sean.Hayes@microsoft.com> wrote:

Microsoft's SAMI caption format is based on HTML and CSS, however it is largely due to our experience of the shortcomings of such an HTML/CSS based format that Microsoft participated in the Timed Text effort in the first place.

I'm not sure what level of integration is being considered, or why CSS would necessarily be perceived as a benefit, since in my opinion there will need to be a strong barrier between the HTML and the timed text environments, for both security reasons and in order that the video/caption author's intention is not undermined by the HTML page author.


-----Original Message-----
From: public-html-request@w3.org [mailto:public-html-request@w3.org] On Behalf Of Philippe Le Hegaret
Sent: Thursday, April 22, 2010 3:13 PM
To: Ian Hickson
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: Timed tracks

It seems that this is a reasonable to look at a new format since, in my opinion, none of the existing formats are satisfying (and yes, that includes Timed Text). The main problem being that none of them are based on HTML and CSS. I wonder however how you see this work interfacing with the HTML5 specification, ISSUE-9, and the work in the a11y task force.
Is your intention to bring an alternative proposal for captions to the task force? If yes, do you have a timeline in mind?

Philippe

On Thu, 2010-04-22 at 04:36 +0000, Ian Hickson wrote:
> FYI, I've started looking at the timed track bugs:
>
>    http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9452
>    http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=9471
>
> Right now I'm mostly collecting use cases and drafting ideas, but I
> hope to have a first draft proposal integrating the suggestions in
> those bugs and some other material in the spec in the coming weeks. If
> anyone has any sample videos or still from videos showing real-world
> use of timed tracks in ways that demonstrate possible features I
> haven't considered, please let me know. So far, I and some others in
> the WHATWG list and on #whatwg have collected the following:
>
>    http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Use_cases_for_timed_tracks_rendered_over_video_by_the_UA
>
> http://wiki.whatwg.org/wiki/Use_cases_for_API-level_access_to_timed_tr
> acks
>
> Cheers,