- From: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@xn--mlform-iua.no>
- Date: Thu, 10 Sep 2009 05:03:39 +0200
- To: Stephen Stewart <carisenda@gmail.com>
- CC: Leif Halvard Silli <xn--mlform-iua@målform.no>, public-html@w3.org
Stephen Stewart On 09-09-09 16.05:
> On 9 Sep 2009, at 14:37, Leif Halvard Silli wrote:
>> Stephen added:
>>> Some examples of chat on the web can be found at:
>>>
>>> http://projectcerbera.com/!dev/irc-logs/day
I had a look at that page - was quite possible to represent that
chat log as a <dl> list.
[...]
>>> Mibbit.com similarly uses a <table> but I think one example with
>>> <table> is enough.
>>
>> Bug 7808 [1] is about making <dialog> work *properly* [...]
>
> Sorry, I got confused by the summary: "<dialog> needs a way to add non-
> speech related information" and the current, not set in stone, status
> of HTML5.
Your examples demonstrates that authors needs to learn how to mark
up dialogs with <dialog>/<dl> - in that way it was very related ...
>> If you think that dialogs are better, more accessible and more
>> simply marked up via other means, then that would be another bug
>> report. I'll only say that I think it is fruitless to say that we
>> should not have a <dialog> element if you at the same time also want
>> to advice against using <dl> for dialog. Personally I think we could
>> continue HTML 4's advice to use <dl> for dialogs, especially if we
>> add an attribute which informs that it is a dialog - see bug 7509[2].
>
> I do think that dialogues are more simply and better marked up by
> other means,
Such as? (The draft, although not perfect, tells us where to put
the name and where to put the speech ... There is a recipe and it
is simple.)
> I also think that since most popular chat mark-up appears
> not to be using <dl> as encouraged by HTML 4 we should at least
> consider the alternatives,
There has been a substream of people that have used <dl> always.
(There would be more if it was simpler to style.)
> or remove it altogether and use what we
> have in <section> <h> and <p>. I lean toward the latter.
Would you even use a <dl> for a glossary ... ?
Why do you want to use h1-h6 elements? To get an outline/ToC with
all the postings? Here is an almost real posting from a Norwegian
online newspaper, with a subject line represented with a <h5>:
<dt>Mr Waffel said, yesterday:</dt><dd>
<h5>RE: Norway won't reach the soccer final</h5>
<p>Yes, we will.</p>
<aside><a>New comment</a> <a>Reply</a> <a>Report</a></aside>
</dd>
>> [1]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=7508
>> [2]http://www.w3.org/Bugs/Public/show_bug.cgi?id=750
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leif halvard silli
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