[minutes] HTML WG call 20091119

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                           HTML WG teleconf

19 Nov 2009


      [2] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Nov/0420.html


          Gregory_Rosmaita, dsinger, kliehm, Rich, Plh, Shepazu,
          cardona507, Cooper, Sam, Julian, Adrian, Kris, Paul, Matt,
          Janina, Cynthia_Shelly, mhakkinen, MikeSmith, Eliot_Graff

          Laura, Debi, Shelley




     * [3]Topics
         1. [4]Accessibility Related Action Items
         2. [5]review pending actions
         3. [6]overdue action items
         4. [7]possible missed f2f actions
         5. [8]Chair calls for consensus/proposals
         6. [9]new Chair Calls for Consensus/Proposals
         7. [10]status of task forces
     * [11]Summary of Action Items

Accessibility Related Action Items

   <paulc> ACTIONs 131, 138, 145 and 158

   PC: Chairs propose to assign actions to the a11y task force
   ... TF is getting going and makes sense to assign there


     [12] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-wg-announce/2009OctDec/0015.html

   PC: does the task force have its own tracker/issues list

   <MikeSmith> we did decide to set up a Tracker

   janina: think we will have that but not operational yet

   MC: a11ytf will be keyword

   janina: only used for issues formally assigned to tf

   PC: any objections to TF taking these issues?

   <kliehm> currently the (inofficial?) keyword is pfwg

   <oedipus> plus 1

   PC: no objections heard

   RESOLUTION: mikesmith or janina to ensure a11y TF take issues 131,
   138, 145, and 158.

   <paulc> Move the actions to the TF Tracker when it is created.

review pending actions

   <paulc> ACTIONs 137, 144 and 152

   <trackbot> ACTION-137 -- Larry Masinter to update IRI spec based on
   comments to Public-IRI (Including those from HTML-WG members), --
   due 2009-10-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   PC: chairs propose these actions can be closed although issues not
   finished with

   <trackbot> ACTION-138 -- Steve Faulkner to produce a matrix based on
   Henri's work -- due 2009-10-08 -- OPEN

   <trackbot> ACTION-152 -- Maciej Stachowiak to check on Change
   Proposal for dt/dd semantics -- due 2009-11-10 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   PC: any objections to closing?

   <trackbot> ACTION-144 -- Manu Sporny to update a separate spec for
   profile attribute -- due 2009-10-29 -- PENDINGREVIEW

   RESOLUTION: we will close ACTION items 137, 144 and 152

overdue action items


   <trackbot> ACTION-127 -- Paul Cotton to establish process for
   "official WG response" to other WG's RFC on LC drafts -- due
   2009-10-01 -- OPEN

   <oedipus> 137, 144 and 152

   PC: we had some comments on MathML 3.0 and discussion of official
   ... chairs will propose a process
   ... this will cover future last call comments
   ... continue to work on ongoing process for dealing with other last
   call for commments

   <paulc> LC:

     [13] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Nov/0394.html

   PC: some discussion of XHTML entity definitions
   ... if anyone interested in reviewing spec then make comments


   <trackbot> ACTION-155 -- Maciej Stachowiak to send CFC for review of
   decision policy -- due 2009-10-29 -- OPEN

   PC: CfC closed on Nov 10 without objections

   PC: declaring this our procedure
   ... did get one [14]request for clarification from plh

     [14] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Nov/0367.html

   <paulc> Comment in

     [15] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html/2009Nov/0367.html

   PC: chairs are going to provide a clarification
   ... this wasn't an objection, just a clarification about when an
   editor makes a change
   ... it's possible for commenter to object
   ... plh asked if it is valid for someone else to object
   ... the sentiment is that this would be okay
   ... this will be made clear in the doc

possible missed f2f actions

   PC: 2 stage process - is the item important enough to track, then
   should we add to tracker
   ... action on kai to document uses cases on a web page
   ... these don't have action numbers


     [16] http://www.w3.org/2009/11/05-html-wg-minutes.html#action03

   SR: this was about 3d graphics, not sure who to assign to

   PC: is this important enough to track?
   ... answer could be no
   ... by default won't track

   not going to track this one

   PC: next, action on tony ross about extensibility

   <trackbot> ACTION-159 -- Adrian Bateman to document Extensibility
   Use Case for Editors on Wiki -- due 2009-12-10 -- OPEN

   PC: next, action on arron

   KK: this is action on arron for testing

   <kris> ball rolling -> see

     [17] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2009Nov/0001.html

   KK: don't have a tracker yet but we are moving

   PC: already being taken care, of move on
   ... cs and fo to talk about focus work in microsoft

   CS: this is action on me

   SR: should this go to a11y TF?

   PC: this does go to TF
   ... can you get mike smith to help
   ... doug to send out instructions for cvs

   <kris> Done - see

     [18] http://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-html-testsuite/2009Nov/0003.html

   KK: this was for testing
   ... but this has been done

   PC: sw to talk about focus at Apple

   CS: this is the same as the microsoft one
   ... but the person assigned to might not be in TF

   PC: please work with maciej to resolve this

   <dsinger> probably James Craig

Chair calls for consensus/proposals

   PC: want to remind working group that proposals were issued for:

   <paulc> Issues- 4, 7, 14, 30, 63 are due on Dec 3

   PC: due dec 3

   <paulc> Proposal on Issue 30 is available.

   PC: we have one proposal available on issue-30?

   <trackbot> ISSUE-30 -- Should HTML 5 include a longdesc attribute
   for images -- RAISED

   <paulc> Also issue 76 proposal due on Dec 3

   PC: make sure clear especially without meeting next week
   ... that issues without a proposal will be closed without prejudice
   at next meeting


   <trackbot> ISSUE-14 -- Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 --

   PC: not seen any objection yet so proposing issue-14 can be closed
   ... this was call for consensus closed on nov 12

   <oedipus> plus 1 to closing issue 14 - subsumed by A11y TF work

   CS: issue-35 deals with changes to way integrated

   PC: this wouldn't impact this issue

   RESOLUTION: close issue-14

   <trackbot> ISSUE-14 Integration of WAI-ARIA roles into HTML5 closed

new Chair Calls for Consensus/Proposals

   PC: chairs identified 6 new issues
   ... to make call for

   PC: expect to see all these soon
   ... some already done
   ... working on both old ones and some more recent
   ... this will close on dec 17 which is last meeting in dec

status of task forces

   PC: accessibility first
   ... information for wg at high level about TF status
   ... e.g. when you expect to come back to wg with some possible

   janina: facilitators met a couple of times
   ... setting up conf call times, tracker, etc
   ... seriously working from start of december
   ... informational announcement will be sent later today with more
   ... one of the early things will be the video activity
   ... they are already underway thanks to meeting before tpac

   PC: do you have an idea about order of work?

   janina: we discussed a little but haven't a plan yet
   ... go after low hanging fruit first

   CS: sent change proposal for summary today
   ... need to figure out relationship to TF

   janina: do have a wiki set-up

   <kliehm> [19]http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Main_Page

     [19] http://www.w3.org/WAI/PF/HTML/wiki/Main_Page

   janina: will want to migrate content here

   <pimpbot> Title: Main Page - HTML accessibility task force Wiki (at

   janina: if anyone wants to start now then go ahead

   <oedipus> GJR will be advancing a proposal for porting ESW materials
   to new HTML A11y TF wiki
   ...PC: cynthia, can you reply to message and explain where
   discussion will take place

   <oedipus> GJR currently coordinating with volunteers to port ESW
   ...PC: this will help record what happened here

   CS: ok

   <MikeSmith> nothing else I can think of to add

   MC: topic about when we take up when should be job of TF not

   PC: have you picked a slot for telcon?

   MC: not yet but soon

   <paulc> REMINDER: Accessibility TF members should indicate their
   preference for a telcon time and day of week.

   <paulc> Poll closes on Fri Nov 20

   PC: kris, what about testing task force

   KK: infrastructure is coming along
   ... next steps are getting agreement in TF for a test template
   ... expecting to come back to wg in Jan 2010 to get review of this

   PC: when will you come back with a proposal for work the wg needs to

   KK: early Jan

   PC: agenda is done

   <oedipus> re Accessibility Task Force meeting time (poll closes
   today) - [20]http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/showq#x44061

     [20] http://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/showq#x44061

   <paulc> We are NOT meeting next week.

   PC: reminder, no meeting next week
   ... next meeting is dec 3

   PC: sam will chair next time

   <paulc> Scribe for Dec 3?

   PC: any scribe volunteer?

   <paulc> paul will be on vacation nov 22-Dec 7

   <paulc> Regrets for Dec 3 from paul

   PC: reminder, first batch of call for proposals will expire after
   dec 3

   CS: what about things moved to TF?

   <oedipus> HTML WG ISSUE 4, 7, 14, 30, 63 comments due December 3

   <oedipus> HTML WG ISSUE 1, 2, 10, 27, 87, 88 review due 17 December

   PC: that was an action, wasn't it?
   ... thinks the question, when we have proposals related to issues
   when will they become issues for discussion
   ... discussion will happen until ready for CfC
   ... issues with proposals won't be closed at deadline
   ... when we have the proposals then we know the issue is open with a
   concrete proposal
   ... then we can work on getting consensus for the issues with
   ... this may involve a counter-proposal

   <rubys> +1

   mjs: thinks this is right

   PC: adjournment?
   ... adjourned

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