- From: Steve Axthelm <steveax@pobox.com>
- Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:16:08 -0800
- To: Robert J Burns <rob@robburns.com>
- cc: Simon Pieters <simonp@opera.com>, Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>, Leif Halvard Silli <lhs@malform.no>, HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>
On 2009-02-27 Robert J Burns <rob@robburns.com> wrote: >The reason it is not good enough is the same reason that summary >should not be displayed by default in the normal flow of the document >(as opposed to in the chrome or in the flow of the document in a >special authoring mode). The 'summary' attribute provides a place for >authors to include content directed at cognitively and visually >disabled users to assist them in consuming the table. It should be >left to the author and user whether they want that exposed in the flow >of the document. Usually it will not be the case that authors and >users want such information exposed in the flow of the document. This >means that the two things – caption and summary – need two separate >mechanisms or authors and users will not have that level of control >over presentation. > >In conclusion, we do not want the 'summary' attribute value exposed by >UAs by default in the flow of a document. We need to leave that up to >authors and users. However, authoring modes and in the chrome exposure >of the 'summary' attribute helps ensure proper use of the attribute. Well put. Let me describe what I think is not an uncommon situation for web authors... As a front-end web author, I get my style direction from a graphic designer/art director and copy from the marketing/content folks. Inserting visible extra copy (table summary information) into a web document, whether that is @summary exposed in the normal flow of the document, or stuffing @summary information into caption, will almost certainly raise objections from the sources of style and content direction. Yes, in theory, I might be able to convince those parties that the visible @summary information is valuable and should be retained, but I can assure you that I will lose that argument in the vast majority of cases. @summary, as it currently stands, allows me as a front-end author, to add this valuable information without in a manner that will not be overruled. Keeping @summary and @caption separate and retaining the the rendering differences gives me the flexibility to add valuable metadata in places where I would _not_, given all other considerations, otherwise be able to add it. Regards, -Steve -- Steve Axthelm steveax@pobox.com
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