- From: Robin Berjon <robin@berjon.com>
- Date: Fri, 30 Jan 2009 01:51:57 +0100
- To: Lachlan Hunt <lachlan.hunt@lachy.id.au>
- Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Jan 30, 2009, at 01:27 , Lachlan Hunt wrote:
> Robin Berjon wrote:
>> On Jan 30, 2009, at 00:13 , Boris Zbarsky wrote:
>>> Robin Berjon wrote:
>>>> In the spirit of tiptoeing around the situation some more, I'd
>>>> like to point out that Working Drafts are NEVER normative. Only
>>>> Recommendations are.
>>>
>>> While true, a Working Draft is ipso facto something that is
>>> intended to become a Recommendation if it gathers consensus.
>> As Karl explained, that is definitely not the case. Some WDs are
>> taken off track, others simply become Notes. Notes are informative.
>> That doesn't make them any less useful.
>
> The fact that a WG may end up deciding to take a WD off the REC
> track and publish it as a NOTE, does not change the fact that a WD
> claiming to be normative was at least developed with the intention
> of reaching a REC. In other words, the fact that the final outcome
> may differ from intent, does not change the intent.
Hence my proposal to clarify that the WG is not in agreement as to the
intent, which clearly leaves the WG free to make its mind up later
while still publishing.
>> Would the chairs agree to a strawpoll about publishing the draft
>> proviso it has a warning label stating (as Håkon dutifully pointed
>> out) that its claims to normativity are subject to caution?
>
> I believe it would be more prudent to instead initially publish the
> draft informatively as I believe there is less bureaucracy involved
> with moving a WD, or even a NOTE, to the REC track than there is in
> the reverse. Additionally, it places the burden of proof upon those
> who argue that it should be put on the REC track, rather than on
> those of us against.
Stating that there is dissent places the burden of proof on the people
who want something normative anyway (it is always on them). As the
Process says,: "Consensus is not a prerequisite for approval to
publish; the Working Group MAY request publication of a Working Draft
even if it is unstable and does not meet all Working Group
requirements."
As to bureaucracy it makes no difference. Indicating that we're in
disagreement is more than enough. Also, Process is very clear that the
next steps after an FPWD are either "Forward: Last Call announcement,
generally done after a series of Working Drafts." or "Otherwise: end
work".
I think it needs to be made excruciatingly clear that publishing an
FPWD does NOT commit us to anything. And so long as we clearly
indicate that we don't know what to do with the document yet, it also
doesn't give our word to the community that we will be pursuing this
document. We can simply put it out and see if people prefer it, quote
from it more, etc.
Editors' Drafts are useful to see if your comments have been
incorporated, and they're very useful in LC so you can see if your
issues have been resolved, but really where it concerns FPWDs and WDs,
there isn't a huge difference: it's just about having a specific
revision you can comment about, and an announcement to make it clear
you'd like feedback on some things (e.g. and whether the document
should exist at all is one of those things).
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