- From: Steven Faulkner <faulkner.steve@gmail.com>
- Date: Thu, 26 Feb 2009 10:30:30 +0000
- To: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Cc: David Poehlman <poehlman1@comcast.net>, HTMLWG <public-html@w3.org>, "W3C WAI Protocols & Formats" <w3c-wai-pf@w3.org>
Hi Ian, "That would be ideal, but unfortunately, pages on the Web that use summary="" almost always use it incorrectly, with horrible values that aren't helpful to anyone, " This a statement of opinion not fact. Please do not continue to assert this without providing a balanced study of summary use to back it up. It also assumes that once available to "all users" authors would continue to use what you assert to be "horrible values". Which does not follow from your logic of better summaries being provided if they are visible to all in whatever form. PS: I have ccd PF as the subject is under active discussion and your opinions are useful in relation to these discussions. regards stevef 2009/2/26 Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>: > On Wed, 25 Feb 2009, David Poehlman wrote: >> >> could @summary not be taught to display to all? > > That would be ideal, but unfortunately, pages on the Web that use > summary="" almost always use it incorrectly, with horrible values that > aren't helpful to anyone, and thus we could never get browser vendors to > actually do this. > > Having whatever solution we _do_ use, e.g. <caption>, be visible to all > users from the beginning, ensures that all users get a better experience > because bad summary="" text won't be created. > > (Authors typically write bad summary="" text for the same reason they > write bad alt="" text -- they don't understand what they are doing, and > have no way to test it. Visible text, they _do_ have a way to test.) > > Note that in HTML5, <caption> has been redefined to clearly include in its > scope all the material that in HTML4 was only appropriate in summary="". > > -- > Ian Hickson U+1047E )\._.,--....,'``. fL > http://ln.hixie.ch/ U+263A /, _.. \ _\ ;`._ ,. > Things that are impossible just take longer. `._.-(,_..'--(,_..'`-.;.' > > -- with regards Steve Faulkner Technical Director - TPG Europe Director - Web Accessibility Tools Consortium www.paciellogroup.com | www.wat-c.org Web Accessibility Toolbar - http://www.paciellogroup.com/resources/wat-ie-about.html
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