Re: 'HTML 5' and some poem markup?

Dr. Olaf Hoffmann wrote:
>>> The result we can see in the 'real web life' -
>>> a lot of meaningless tag soup around,
>>> disoriented authors lost between silence
>>> and semantically meaningless markup...
>> Are there use case where software that consumes markup would benefit
>> from poem-specific semantics?
> Authors and readers will have benefit from this.
> Without markup on quality poems in HTML 5 - 
> then it is maybe better still to use LATEX, it has a
> verse element ;o) 

I don't understand how readers would benefit from a poem element. Is 
there some special UA behavior you imagine? For example, the <aside> 
element might be read out-of-order in a speech browser or hidden unless 
specifically opened on a small-screen browser. What are the 
corresponding possibilities for a <poem> element that would allow 
similar improvements for the user experience?

>>> (a lot of readers of poetry are
>>> robots from search engine for example ;o)
>> How would they be helped by poem-specific semantics?
> If someone is looking for poems in results from a seach engine 
> the search engine can be more selective just looking at the 
> semantics. There are search engines for images or maybe
> video/audio, why not for poems?
> Anyway even for robots maybe the days will come they
> learn to distinguish between different contents and this will
> be pretty simpler with semantic markup as with div-class-tag-soup.

Unfortunately depending on the use of explicit semantics in this way 
doesn't seem to work so well in practice. In this case I would imagine 
that the biggest problem would be search engines only picking up the 
small fraction of total poetry marked as <poem>, thus making such a 
facility too unhelpful to be worth deploying, although one can imagine 
problems with e.g. spam, for example, spammers swamping the relatively 
small amount of poetry content with much more rubbish.

"Mixed up signals
Bullet train
People snuffed out in the brutal rain"
--Conner Oberst

Received on Friday, 5 October 2007 18:49:57 UTC