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Re: [whatwg] <video> element feedback

From: Laurens Holst <lholst@students.cs.uu.nl>
Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 09:31:07 +0900
Message-ID: <460C5A4B.8070107@students.cs.uu.nl>
To: Shadow2531 <shadow2531@gmail.com>
CC: Henri Sivonen <hsivonen@iki.fi>, Boris Zbarsky <bzbarsky@mit.edu>, WHAT Working Group Mailing List <whatwg@whatwg.org>, public-html@w3.org
Shadow2531 schreef:
> Here's just one  example of what Boris is referring to with different
> implementations.
> <object classid="clsid:6BF52A52-394A-11D3-B153-00C04F79FAA6"
> type="application/x-mplayer2" data="file.wmv">
>    <param name="URL" value="file.wmv">
>    <param name="AutoStart" value="false">
>    <param name="Volume" value="50%">
> </object>
> That classid invokes the Windows Media 7+ ActiveX control.  If FF
> ignores the classid and uses type and data, FF will be using the
> Netscape WMP 6.4 plug-in.
> For the 6.4 plugin (which is older than dirt, but all there is
> netscape-wise because MS has abandoned it (and even broken
> compatibility with it in WMP11)), boolean values coming from params
> have to be 1 or 0. True or false are not understood. In this case, the
> video would still autostart.  Also for the 6.4 plug-in, volume is
> different. It doesn't want a percentage, it wants -10000 to 0
> (logarithmic scale).  The 6.4 plugin also doesn't understand URL, it
> wants a filename param. There are also other params that only exist in
> one of the implementations.

The URL parameter (as also seen in e.g. Quicktime and Flash) is imho a 
dirty hack to work around implementations not providing plugins with a 
streaming file reader object. At least, that is the only explanation I 
can come up with. There is a DATA attribute on the object, and that 
should be sufficient.

Also, as I see this, it seems that there is not only a need to 
standardise on some Javascript methods for <object>s, but also on some 
standard <param>eter names and value syntax. That would help a great 
deal in streamlining things, especially when <object> is supposed to 
‘just work’ and not refer to a specific implementation with the classid 

> Now, if you want nested objects, IE7 will handle that. If you're
> worried about IE6, we can use downlevel-hidden IE conditional comments
> for that.

Ah, so they fixed it in IE7? That’s very good to hear.


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