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RE: Brainstorming - abbreviations -- usage statistics

From: Dailey, David P. <david.dailey@sru.edu>
Date: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 00:05:28 -0400
Message-ID: <1835D662B263BC4E864A7CFAB2FEEB3D258B8B@msfexch01.srunet.sruad.edu>
To: "Dan Connolly" <connolly@w3.org>, "Bill Mason" <w3c@accessibleinter.net>
Cc: <public-html@w3.org>

One resource this group should probably be aware of is Google's page on "Web Authoring Statistics". I suspect most of you know it already -- (it seems rare that I know anything everyone else doesn't already), but it's at 
Only catch is you'll need an SVG viewer to see it, and I think Google's code may be a bit screwy so it may only work in some browsers. It does work in FF as I recall.


From: public-html-request@w3.org on behalf of Dan Connolly
Sent: Thu 3/22/2007 11:47 PM
To: Bill Mason
Cc: public-html@w3.org
Subject: Re: Brainstorming - abbreviations

On Thu, 2007-03-22 at 09:52 -0700, Bill Mason wrote:
> Karl Dubost wrote:
> > Could someone or a team of two persons come up with a list of all
> > "possible" test cases using
> >     - abbr
> >     - acronym
> > in different languages?
> Attached are a set of testcases to start with, at least.

Excellent. Bonus points for Bill!

I'm having trouble following this thread, but I'm always
happy to see specific detailed test cases.

If there's a specific proposal somebody has about abbreviations,
it would help me if they would say how it interacts
with the examples that Bill gave. It might be worth starting
a new thread, as this one is getting worn out.

e.g. if somebody is proposing to get rid <abbr />,
that suggest that validating/checking tools should
give a thumbs-down to

If we were designing HTML from scratch, I'd probably
argue that we should choose between abbr and acronym.
But we're not designing from scratch; they're both deployed.
Google says there are "about 1,260,000" pages
that mention abbr, acronym and tag. I suppose some
of those are not about HTML, but at least the first
couple screen-fulls are.

So anybody who wants to get rid of one of them should
think through all the consequences and tell us why that's
worth doing.

Dan Connolly, W3C http://www.w3.org/People/Connolly/
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