- From: Ben 'Cerbera' Millard <cerbera@projectcerbera.com>
- Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:27:15 +0100
- To: "Sean Owen" <srowen@google.com>
- Cc: "HTMLWG" <public-html@w3.org>, "mobileOK WG" <public-bpwg-comments@w3.org>
Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:33 PMSean Owen > I do think it's feasible to write once for the desktop and some kind > of portable device, but such a device is substantially different from > what people have in their average phone / browser. Perhaps the Default Delivery Context (DDC) is out of date? It seems to be based on mobile phones produced in the mid-1990's. They have become radically more capable in the decade since then. My experience is mainstream mobiles getting closer to desktop browsers each year (Opera [1] and Webkit [2] being industry leaders in this regard). The mobile industry's aims are clear from their actions: make the whole web available [3][4]. Surely W3C's MWI should be centered on making that happen faster and more effectively? The current work seems to be on degrading current content to accomodate a DDC akin to decade-old phones which, AFAIK, no longer exist. Vodafone [5], T-Mobile [3] and Three [6] already have a flat rate for web access in the UK (as Simon Pieters speculated on). So for one thing, the financial cost of page downloads is being solved by market factors...just like it did for desktop PCs. :-) Wednesday, June 13, 2007 6:33 PMSean Owen > If "HTML Basic" existed I think there would be a good argument to > specify it instead. Since text/html work has started again at W3C in the form of the HTMLWG, perhaps an "HTML Basic" spec would now be feasible? Then again, the 1998 attempt at this [7] didn't take off, so reduced HTML was not the solution even with devices *that* limited. And since current mobiles handle full HTML websites, degrading content at the origin server seems ever more unnecessary (the network can do this on-the-fly if it needs to be done). Sincere thanks for taking the feedback from the new HTMLWG seriously. I too hope HTMLWG will add more practical value to the W3C's Mobile Web Initiative (MWI) [8]. [1] <http://www.opera.com/products/mobile/> [2] <http://webkit.org/blog/60/nokia-releases-s60-webkit-sources/> [3] <http://www.t-mobile.co.uk/services/mobile-internet/on-your-phone/> [4] <http://tinyurl.com/2nt4ea> [5] <http://tinyurl.com/25o2a7> [6] <http://tinyurl.com/3ey7ru> [7] <http://www.w3.org/TR/1998/NOTE-compactHTML-19980209/> [8] <http://www.w3.org/Mobile/> Ben 'Cerbera' Millard -------------------- http://projectcerbera.com
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