- From: Ian Hickson <ian@hixie.ch>
- Date: Mon, 4 Jun 2007 20:55:05 +0000 (UTC)
- To: Henrik Dvergsdal <henrik.dvergsdal@hibo.no>
- Cc: HTML WG <public-html@w3.org>
On Mon, 4 Jun 2007, Henrik Dvergsdal wrote:
> On 1 Jun 2007, at 02:40, Ian Hickson wrote:
> >
> > * Include links to relevant research on the wiki page. That could be:
> >
> > * Links to pages that are working around the lack of the feature being
> > proposed.
> >
> > * Surveys (even of a few dozen sites) showing authoring practices, so
> > that we can determine authoring patterns around the topic. (I might
> > take such surveys to greater lengths if possible and useful by
> > running similar types of scans at Google.)
> >
> > * Test cases showing what existing browsers do.
> >
> > Making proposals with no research is another good way to lose
> > credibility fast.
>
> This requirement conforms very well to design principles such as
> "Support Existing Content", "Don't Reinvent The Wheel", "Pave The
> Cowpaths" etc. However, it effectively blocks out *novel* proposals that
> may be related to principles such as "Solve Real Problems", "Media
> Independence", "Universal Access" etc. Do we really need to be this
> conservative?
Take <datagrid>, which is a very novel proposal (in HTML terms) in the
spec now. For that proposal, the research could take the form of:
* People want data grids so much that there are entires businesses built
around the concept of providing custom controls for them:
http://www.activewidgets.com/grid/
http://www.treeview.net/
* Big sites are working around the lack of such a feature. Such sites
include the new Yahoo! Mail and GMail, with millions of users.
* Demand hasn't been high enough for browser vendors to do it themselves,
though.
* Few authors are hand-authoring such grids.
* Fallback: UAs ignore <datagrid> today, and render the contents. Thus we
could provide backwards-compatible fallback by having a <datagrid>
element contain the data in the form of a <table> or other structure.
Hopefully this clarifies that "Research" doesn't necessarily bias us
against novel proposals.
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